A case of chronic gear imbalance

[Nakanishi]

Someone on these forums have a quote from Yoshi as their signature forgot who unfortunately, but this reddit thread sums it up (referring to #68 post, on phone) :

https://m.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comment...t&compact=true

[Cordie]

Someone on these forums have a quote from Yoshi as their signature forgot who unfortunately, but this reddit thread sums it up (referring to #68 post, on phone) :

https://m.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comment...t&compact=true

This counts as a very nice admission of lacking design. And it was well before 3.4 too. Shouldn't we request improvements?

[Nakanishi]

I'm personally fine with the game's current state. Living life without worrying about ever actually being behind a tediously long grind.

[Nezerius]

I didn't even mention the idea that casual grinding ("spamming easy mode content") should deserve more; the problem is we're stuck with it and nothing further.

Feel free to elaborate on what you think is a grind that doesn't consist of spamming easy content, that doesn't include savage raiding, since you don't seem to be interested in that.

And don't bother mentioning Diadem. Despite the fact that it allowed players to get savage raid level gear (i210, back during Gordias), it was still a very mindless grind.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Sorry, but this currently does not apply. Raid gear is i270, currency gear is i260. Implicit promises and guesswork do not change the numbers.

Its mid cycle. You would have been as laughably wrong making your claims before Weeping City came out, and as laughably wrong making these claims before Void Ark came along, as you are now making these claims before the next 24 man comes along.

You are swimming in the ocean, halfway up a wave, and do not realize that you will come back down on the other side.

On the contrary, I recognise that MMOers want to level their characters as quickly and with as little commitment as possible. The current raid system is precisely targeted at them. The rest of the (item) levelling at lv60 is just designed as a middle finger to anyone who might not take the MMO-ish approach, but is still willing to grind for longer and more. Given this is an FF title, it is both a stretch of game design and a questionable revenue strategy, since it seems to be promoting a “nothing more for you to grind; unsub and come back in X months”.

Given this, I've got to ask a question. Why are you even still here? If you do not like, as you put it, getting "a middle finger" from SE and FFXIV, then talk in the only real way that counts : with your wallet. Unsubscribe, and let those who do like this game have their fun, whether it is with raiding or not.

The whole tone of your thread gives the appearance of "I'm not a raider, but I want everything that raiders get" ... well, either do the content for it, or wait for the upgrade to come available outside savage, or give up on the game entirely and take your money elsewhere.

And for what its worth, unless you've gotten i250+ for *all* of the combat classes, i190+ for all of the crafting and gathering classes, both of those including your retainers, and are finished with all ten zetas and all thirteen i260 anima relics, there's still plenty to grind away on. Even if you have accomplished all of those, there's still more to do, gold saucer associated stuff, and achievements. There is only as little to do as one's personal blinders allow one to see.

[Cordie]

Feel free to elaborate on what you think is a grind that doesn't consist of spamming easy content, that doesn't include savage raiding, since you don't seem to be interested in that.

And don't bother mentioning Diadem. Despite the fact that it allowed players to get savage raid level gear (i210, back during Gordias), it was still a very mindless grind.

Relic model + EX trials for lanners + PötD (solo) is a good start. Diadem unfortunately has been dead since a couple of months after it's release.

[Cordie]

You would have been as laughably wrong making your claims … as you are now making these claims before the next 24 man comes along.

Unless I’m laughably wrong in not reading 260 as 270, an implicit promise for a new 24-man raid/whatever does not add 10 ilvls to equipment.

Given this, I've got to ask a question. Why are you even still here? If you do not like, as you put it, getting "a middle finger" from SE and FFXIV, then talk in the only real way that counts : with your wallet

Exactly my intention for next patch, since I ‘d hate to see my subscription go wasted on MMOers’ raiding desires instead of improving the depth and quality of the rest of the content. That said, I do like other aspects of this game and I would prefer to see it improving rather than pushing its playerbase away to cater to a raiding niche’s wishes.

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[Roth_Trailfinder]

260 is less than 270 ... but again, you are not looking at the whole cycle.

That is what is laughable about your position. Not that 260 is less than 270 - that we all know, and despite being told repeatedly you seem not to, that 270 is coming for those who are not doing savage. Stop channeling Chicken Little - the sky is NOT falling.

Oh, on another note entirely, unless the post limit prevents you from editing, you could have just edited them into that post instead of saying that replies to the other two comments are prepared and forthcoming.

[Cordie]

The whole tone of your thread gives the appearance of "I'm not a raider, but I want everything that raiders get" [...]

More like “I’m not a raider, I don’t care what raid-specific equipment, how many more glamours, how many more mounts raiders get, but I want the maximum item-level tomestone set to be available along with a way to grind for it (and not something that’s 10 item levels less)”. It’s getting ridiculous how many times I have had to repeat that I do not expect the same items the raids drop.

And for what its worth…

This is quite funny to see, since most of the raiders who replied above complain the drops they get are “useless” for their preferred class. Is it that raiders have now earned the right to selectivity while grinders lost it too? Could you be laughably wrong in inferring completionism from grinding?

[Roth_Trailfinder]

You do not raid as a WHM to gear your NIN. You raid as a WHM to gear your WHM. In that sense, anything NOT WHM that drops is "useless" to you personally. Also, any duplicate gear that you already have is useless to you, personally. Is it any wonder that they complain about "useless" drops? Not only that, but for any static, regardless of classes everyone has or is leveling, the ninth and beyond drops of any one gear piece (such as DRG boots) IS totally useless. Why do you think I said i250+? Its because there are weapons higher than i250 that you can get, right now, and i250 is the highest gear (non-weapon) set that you can get that is not capped. I260 tomestone gear is capped on a weekly basis, and unless a weapon set you back, you could already have one complete set of gear.



The only time where tomestones offered the same level of gear as the 8 man raid was Binding Coil. Second Coil's patch introduced Weathered (i100) gear, that was upgradable to i110. Second Coil raiders got the upgrade first, then we got Syrcus Tower (the second of the CT chain), and the i100->i110 upgrade was added after that came along. Final Coil's patch introduced i120 gear upgradable to i130 - and again, Final Coil raiders were getting the upgrade first. World of Darkness came along, and a few weeks later we got the upgrade item from there as well as Final Coil. Expansion comes along, and after that, the first floors of Alexander and i200, i210 gear, with the upgrade item only available in Savage. Then they add Void Ark, and provide a means for non-savage acquisition of the upgrade piece. The middle floors of Alexander come next, with the i230 and i240 gear - again, the upgrade only available from Savage, until they add Weeping City and a means of getting the upgrade item from there.

You've ignored it, but we are mid cycle right now. We have the third set of floors for Alexander, and the upgrade item for turning i260 into i270 is only available from there right now. The next 24 man instance will, if not initially then a few weeks later, have the means of getting the upgrade item.