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  1. #101
    Player Clethoria's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinno View Post
    and its human nature to defend yourself.
    I recall in one of my Psychology classes that there's a part of the human brain that develops in adulthood that lets people really walk away from a fight. I know it can be hard, but not giving in to someone else is worth it for them being absolutely incapable of starting any more drama. Or until the post limit catches up to them.
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  2. #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
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    Thank you Alleo. Throughout the thread you have been explaining the meaning of the request very well. Better than I was able to in the OP.
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    Last edited by Magic-Mal; 12-10-2016 at 05:59 AM.

  3. #103
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinno View Post
    Because she's personally attacking everyones opinions over and over in an aggressive manner (and then claiming to not be agressive) and its human nature to defend yourself.

    That and we're all trying to figure out why exactly she's so against an obvious improvement to a flawed system. But i'm over it now. I'm going to pretend any further posts from her dont exist. I suggest everyone else do the same. She can have her very vocal opinion. We just dont have to hear it anymore. She's not going to change her mind no matter what evidence we throw at her. I dont have the energy to waste on trying to explain things to her anymore. :3
    I still dont know why everyone thinks Im aggressive/verbally attack ppl. There is not a single post that was aggressive but okay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post
    Well I'm always down to try and come to an agreement in some way with anyone in the nicest manner I can . So I can go and go, any aggressiveness, name-calling, or stuff like that never gets me off. I'll continue to talk it out and try to meet an end. If the person still continues it anyway!
    Hmm check few posts ago where I say I agree to some suggestions made on here but since most people dont even bother to read its ok to skip that fact right?
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  4. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloody View Post
    My biggest problem with your main argument in this thread is that it is basically saying "You can't prevent everything so why bother?"
    My main argument wasnt "you cant prevent everything so why bother" this was just a reply to the rl examples OP stated. What I was against is to make a status which block all /tells outside of your friendslist which got suggested in some pages later or to make ppl appear offline/no fc log in notication/hiding players char. Also I already said I agree on some other suggestions but I can still be against some other stuff suggested. I mean if ppl talk to me like "oh boy"/call me troll or telling me I have no point because Im outnumbered ppl shouldnt even complain about my tone which isnt even negative tbh. Just to me its a bit exaggerating when people think they are hurt in their privacy because someone knows how their char look like and where they are in a GAME. Or acting like its impossible to just log in and do stuff and log out. The thing that players here act like you could avoid all problems (atleast in some posts) bothered me so I replied. This "stalking" ppl talk about is not very common and should be handled with blacklist + report to make those "stalkers" understand that they cant do it and to prevent it in the future for other players.
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  5. #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3 View Post
    This "stalking" ppl talk about is not very common and should be handled with blacklist + report to make those "stalkers" understand that they cant do it and to prevent it in the future for other players.
    Why are you against more preemptive measures against this? Why can't we have both a blacklist and incognito? And why can't people gang up on you when you have weak reasons for opposition?
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  6. #106
    Player Magic-Mal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3 View Post
    Hmm check few posts ago where I say I agree to some suggestions made on here but since most people dont even bother to read its ok to skip that fact right?
    You never told me what you agreed on though.
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  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newmanxeno View Post
    Why are you against more preemptive measures against this? Why can't we have both a blacklist and incognito? And why can't people gang up on you when you have weak reasons for opposition?
    I havent said that people cant gang up on me. I said when someone comes to this thread calls me a troll and says because Im outnumbered I wouldnt have the right to make arguments its pretty meh. Also ty for only replying to such a small part of my post and ignoring everything else.
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  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post
    You never told me what you agreed on though.
    Because I got tired of ppl calling me aggressive and a troll. /shrug
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  9. #109
    Player Magic-Mal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3 View Post
    Because I got tired of ppl calling me aggressive and a troll. /shrug
    I never called you any names or label you as anything : ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3 View Post
    What I was against is to make a status which block all /tells outside of your friendslist which got suggested in some pages later or to make ppl appear offline/no fc log in notication/hiding players char.
    I think part of the problem is that you didn't specify at the outset that that was the part you were arguing against. You just argued, and people assumed it was the topic of the thread (which is the Player Search part) that you were arguing about. That's why some of your earlier arguments (like being unfriendly to newcomers) didn't make sense. To people thinking in terms of the original suggestion, it wouldn't have much impact on newcomers, but a "no /tells outside of your friendslist" suggestion could.

    So let's break it down:

    The main suggestion of this thread: An Incognito mode that prevents your name and info from showing up in Player Search. How do you feel about this one?

    Personally, I think it would be quite beneficial at times, for all the reasons the OP listed.

    Having that Incognito mode also make you appear offline in Friend/FC/LS lists and block FC login notifications. How do you feel about this one?

    My own view on it: It has a more limited applicability than the Player Search part, because hopefully neither RMT spammers nor stalkers are in any of those groups, and people sending out blind invites are unlikely to do so from there either. But it does still have one nice effect for people who want a little privacy from their friends to play on their own for a while. Although it's only got the one purpose rather than several, that one is perhaps the most widespread. Lots of people want to be in highly social groups, yet still be able to have some quiet time to themselves now and then when they don't feel like making themselves available to those groups.

    That's common enough that most implementations I'm familiar with combine the two, making their incognito or anonymous mode hide you from both friends and strangers alike. But if it was two selections, one for whether you want to be Incognito and not appear on Player Search, and another for whether or not to extend that to Friend/FC/LS Lists as well, that would be even better.

    Hiding our actual characters themselves from other players in our vicinity

    It's possible I'm wrong, since tone can be difficult to determine from text in a forum, but I'm pretty sure this part was just a joke suggestion, made from taking the incognito idea to an extreme.

    Restrict /tell to Friends only

    This used to be suggested a lot back before the right-click report feature pretty well got rid of RMT /tell spam. I was always against it, because it blocks too much useful chat between strangers and further segregates people into cliques (which is already a bit of an issue sometimes for new players and I'd rather not exacerbate it). Back when this was a popular suggestion, I usually conceded that it could be considered as a last resort if nothing else could get rid of the RMT /tell spam. (It's still better than using /busy for it after all.) But now that the /tell spam issue has been handled fairly well, I think we can quit considering such intrusive remedies for it.

    The odd part here in this thread, is that although you've argued against it, I'm not sure who you're trying to convince, because I don't recall seeing anyone really arguing for it here. (Some might approve of such a feature, but it would be a bit off-topic in a thread that doesn't really pertain to chat directly.)

    And are there any others I've missed? ...
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    Last edited by Niwashi; 12-10-2016 at 08:41 AM.

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