Wanting an explanation for said op of scholar cause I'm not seeing it in my experienc

[Suki-]

isnt this the same person who managed to make a thread that lasted 15 pages that they claimed was to ask for dark knight advice but ignored and argued everyone telling them why they were playing dark knight wrong? i dont think OP actually wants to know why Scholar is a really good flexible class, i think they just want to put out there that theyve had bad experiences playing with scholars and think all scholars suck but dont want to outright say they're complaining about them.

quoth the original poster "every time ive had a problem in an instance it was because of a scholar" pretty sure thats why theyre here, and not any other reason.

Same person. And they've put it out there numerous times already that they don't like sch lol.

[Belhi]

WHM is an artillery piece. I fires direct hits and goes with brute force. Its got little subtlety, little mitigation and almost no utility.

SCH cant match WHM output over a sustained period of time. Realistically though, outside of raids your almost never going to need that type of sustained healing. Further powerful mitigation allows SCH to dampen high damage attacks and even counter mechanics such as knockbacks that don't necessarily take effect if they don't break through the shields. Particularly in raid encounters mitigation is highly valuable as it effectively is like raising the HP of the party temporarily above their max HP.

As the two original healing jobs these to shaped the healing meta, the optimal set up for healers in a full party. That meta had one muscle healer who did the bulk of the actual healing (WHM) and one who took the edge of the incoming damage and made it more manageable. The flow of fights and the existence of the Fairy allowed the Scholar to be a kind of 'off healer' in the way Warrior acts as a off tank.

When AST was introduced they tried to fit it into the meta by allowing it to play both roles but to avoid making it superior to either they made it weaker. Over time they have been buffing it to the point its pretty much on par with both.

This is where WHM falls behind a bit. AST can fill a WHM roll pretty well but it also brings powerful additional utility where WHM pretty much has none. AST can stand in for SCH too but Scholar has a much broader range of tricks it can bring to the table. As a result, when you look at the healer meta AST replacing WHM ends up with a net gain of more useful utility than AST replacing SCH.

Thus the issue WHM is kind of facing. Sure it can do what it does well but the AST can do what is needed and brings more. WHM is kind of a one trick pony. SCH has a much more broad range of tricks.

[Sylkis]

It's OP in hard content, average in dungeons.

Just assume if X job is good and there is no context, its good for savage/ex primals.

[DynamoAce]

Based on my own experiences and what was said in my other thread

Yeah, SCH can be looked at as OP for a lot of different reasons, many who commented here have practically already said 'em so I don't have to parrot it back lol.

On the other hand, because of Scholar's feats when the class is played to it's fullest potential, many seem to take it for granted, especially in the casual content for dungeons and all. They assume because SCH is OP, they can do this that and the other and either minimize their effort or get careless thinking that their OP healer can make up for it, or that they don't have to move out of AoEs cause SCH can continue the DPS while the fairy heals.
SCH can be OP, both in casual and hardcore yes. However it really is dependent on how the rest of your party performs. If the party's health drops super low for obvious reasons, or things aren't dying fast enough then that can put a halt on how OP they're made out to be.

[KarstenS]

Are we referring to them in Alexander raid content only or the level 60 roulette's.

The most people just talk because they heard something of someone who heard something of someone and so on. But the big point for the developers to overthink it was because of Midas Savage. BTW: Not only for SCH. Also for WAR.

The big point of SCH is they have a wider variation of utility (its own and the fairy) and are able to use and combine them much better than the others. Even after the last AST changes, SCH + Eos is still the king of migitation.

Fights where it really did made a huge difference:

- A6S (before the nerf it got just some weeks after 3.2)
- A8S before 3.4

The current fights doesn't depend that hard on migitation.

[Kaurie]

Scholar is OP because it lacks weaknesses, it's weakness in 2.0 were addressed.

Scholar won't be OP if the player on it doesn't know how to use its skills to the fullest.

Because seems they are mostly the ones claiming everything is easy , someone above said that dungeons dont matter but yet its the most used contnet in the game and i just find it odd to ignore the rest of the game , and the fact that everyone says they are easy but its a thread on here about duty finder instances about all the things that have happened in dungeons. My point was that i keep seeing threads pop up about how whm is the weakest healer and in my exp scholar has been the weakest Ive gone into any dungeons with, are primals. Because a skilled player can make any job be good so why base a job performance off of them they are skilled they are suppose to be good if ur doing savage ur suppose to be good. So yes scholars that do the highest teir of content in the game , but people that are just playing the game for fun, scholar is one of the harder classes to get a hang on so I couldn't say its op because ur average player doesn't no how to maximize the job. And your average players are the ones who mostly represent the game.

For top tier players, SCH is OP, because the skill set compliments itself so well.

For bottom tier players, SCH is OP, because the Faerie will heal and you can just afk.

For medium players, all 3 healers are reasonably equal.

[Nominous]

And your average players are the ones who mostly represent the game.

They take into account all players for content added, not necessarily for the balance.

Every Job is viable, yes. But for raiding, you want to have the best performance possible, so the fight will be as smooth as possible. And when it comes to maximizing performance, some Jobs offer very little detriment for high benefit, especially when compared to it's peers. That is why SCH is under heavy fire lately. When you look at all of the healers, SCH is the one that offers the most, while losing out on very little (at least until they buffed AST). It has high DPS. It has serviceable heals. Shields, which until recently, were unmatched in strength. Instant heals, AoE heals, better MP management, everything under the sun. The other healer jobs work, but until this AST buff, if you didn't bring SCH, you were missing out, and even still that could be argued.

In short, it's not so much about the Job itself being too good for the game, it's about the healer ecosystem, and how SCH is the best in said ecosystem.

[Axxion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB_MAO5yPw8 like this?

[bswpayton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB_MAO5yPw8 like this?

Trust me Ive watched that a few times , its not so much that I even dislike scholar mine is level 53, its really all of these post of saying that whm is the weakest healer, I play all three now and I don't feel that way at all. Taking one aspect of the game alexander raids and basing a class off of that content alone I just cant follow. I see time and time again how people complain about whm but in the day to day content for me personally even when Im not tanking I see more scholars failing than I do the other two healers. A physics spam is laughable Ive seen it happen its just , you cant spam lustrate if you need to and your day to day content sometimes you have to spam one of your heals on the tank to keep them up. Yes maybe whm needs to have something added to it but to me whm is straight forward and if Im doing straight forward content , Id rather have a whm that can use their skills that are to the point than a scholar that thinks their pet is gona keep everyone alive in content above hakku manor and forward. All Im saying is to be op to me is just blowing the other jobs out the water and I dont see that from sch in my day to day runs and I almost always would rather have astro or whm in my party than a scholar on daily runs.

[Kaurie]

Trust me Ive watched that a few times , its not so much that I even dislike scholar mine is level 53, its really all of these post of saying that whm is the weakest healer, I play all three now and I don't feel that way at all. Taking one aspect of the game alexander raids and basing a class off of that content alone I just cant follow. I see time and time again how people complain about whm but in the day to day content for me personally even when Im not tanking I see more scholars failing than I do the other two healers. A physics spam is laughable Ive seen it happen its just , you cant spam lustrate if you need to and your day to day content sometimes you have to spam one of your heals on the tank to keep them up. Yes maybe whm needs to have something added to it but to me whm is straight forward and if Im doing straight forward content , Id rather have a whm that can use their skills that are to the point than a scholar that thinks their pet is gona keep everyone alive in content above hakku manor and forward. All Im saying is to be op to me is just blowing the other jobs out the water and I dont see that from sch in my day to day runs and I almost always would rather have astro or whm in my party than a scholar on daily runs.

Physick is the same as Cure I (400 vs 400), except you have a Faerie also healing for 300 pet potency (~180 potency)
Adlo is slightly less than Cure II (600 vs 650), except you have a faerie also healing for 300 potency (~180 potency) and a crit makes the heal 4.5 x as much instead of 1.5x

Assuming a 15% crit rate:
WHM Cure averages at 490
SCH Physick + Embrace averages at 710.5
WHM Cure II averages at 796
Adlo + Embrace averages at 1045

Even if you add regen, which averages at 183.75 per tick, WHM comes out behind the healing potency of SCH single target.
WHM Cure + Regen averages at 673.5
WHM Cure II + regen averages at 979.75

In regular dungeon content a Faerie can effectively solo heal it with ample use of Rouse.

SCH should pretty much always use Adlo if the target in question does not have galvanize up and will take damage in the next 30 seconds. I definitely use Adlo more than Physick. I rarely use Lustrate.

Where WHM shines is its AoE healing. The range is higher and it can spam powerful AoE heals. SCH has a decent AoE heal toolkit, but it does lag behind WHM. In non savage content, this is a non issue, as you never have consistent high unavoidable damage to the whole party. Indom, emergency tactics + succor and whispering dawn are plenty.