Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Galaktica]

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OMG reading that triggers me so much lol. I already don't have a high opinion of healers who just sit there for extended periods of time and think it's okay because "no one is dying so I'm doing my job lolz," but then they wanna run their mouths of top of that? Ugh, that's just the worst. Situations like that are why I pray every dungeon has several crucial healer specific mechanics (something like the first boss of Satasha HM for example). Bad dps and tanks are one thing, but I feel like we don't talk about healers coasting their way through instances nearly enough.


Sure, technically speaking, you don't have to do anything other than what's required of you, but what's the difference between that and a BLM who just spams nothing but Ice 1 or a WAR who spams nothing but Overpower? The BLM is technically doing dmg. The WAR is technically keeping aggro. Why should they have to do anything more than what's required of them if you're gonna sit there and twiddle your thumbs for entire fights because no one is dying?

I'm not talking about stance dancing every few seconds either. If you don't wanna do that then fine. At least the assumption there is that you're also probably healing every few seconds so at you're doing something. I'm talking about healers who literally sit there for entire trash pulls and boss fights and hardly ever do anything. At some point, I don't understand how you can defend that as anything other than pure laziness.

Then, like I said, you have the gall to try and run your mouth? Get outta here with that. At that point, your contribution to the group is well into the negative and I just want you gone.

All that said, I get why you didn't kick them. Sometimes, it's just not worth it turning into a bunch of drama. Maybe they brought a friend with them and the friend keeps cancelling out the vote. Maybe the other people in the party didn't notice and think you're the one being a jerk now. Maybe you can't find a replcamenet so people start dropping out and you have to requeue. Sometimes, you just suck it up and finish out the instance because you don't wanna deal with any of that.

It happens in 24 man content all the time. I'll see healers people just sit by the door, waiting, never doing anything. They'll make sure they sprint to the next area so they can be first (what's the deal with that anyway? I see people do it all the time.), but contributing to the group during fights? Pffft, you wish. In those instances, I just bite my tongue. I hate myself for it too, but like I said, sometimes you just don't want to risk it turning into an entirely different issue that causes even more drama.

[Miste]

So again my attempt to help a fellow player ends up with me getting yelled at.

I wonder why I bother anymore trying to be nice and helpful.

Got Stone Vigil HM for level 50 roulette. Had a SMN(55) and a mandy bud DRG(50) and a new player bonus which I assumed at first was the DRG. I wasn't doing mentor roulette but even so I figured if we needed it I'd help out with info.

I noticed on the first pull that the mobs were dying really slowly...then I saw that the SMN was only using Shadow Flare and Ruin II and absolutely nothing else. Well...that is pretty bad play and I figured I should offer him some tips so I told him that he shouldn't only be casting Ruin II and that he should use his dots Bio, Bio II, and Miasma then Bane them. No response from the SMN and he ignored it and still never used his dots. I was like well whatever he might need more time to figure out what I meant and this dungeon is so easy its not like we can't complete it so I say nothing more and we go on through to first boss etc.

Get to second boss the cannon turtle. We did it but the SMN didn't use the cannon at all even though he went and stood at it and everyone else was all at one. Well I figured then that maybe he was the new one and not the DRG because the DRG was using the cannons so after we slowly kill it minus one cannon completely I decide I should let him know how the boss is done if he gets in there again. So I tell him, for his future adventuring, if you get this dungeon again you have to actually use the cannons to do damage for that boss; since we all know nothing else really hurts him.

Well this nets me a response from the SMN! He delightfully tells me to:

"f*** off this is my first time doing this one stop being a d***" exact quote minus the censorship.

So I was basically like "which is why I was explaining to help you?" I also said something like "you are the one swearing at someone for trying to help you so I don't think I am the rude one here"

The healer vote kicked him for harassment and I clicked yes cause I took the time to type out helpful info for this person only to have them be a jerk to me for it. Not exactly making me have any sympathy for them at this point. He gets removed and we get a MCH instead and complete the rest of the run no problem.

Found out the DRG was also new but they said that they assumed they had to use the cannons for that boss so they kinda figured it out on their own. I commended them since they did well on their first run.

I really wanna know why so many players think that explaining mechanics or explaining how jobs work is being a d*** since this has happened to me like way too often. I politely offer explanations or advice and they respond as if I just insulted their mother -_-

[Maerwen]

LOL UNDERGEARED

Reminds me of this one time I ran Dusk Vigil with my boyfriend (tank) and 2 random deeps. MCH has lvl 30s gear. He died on almost everything and I was literally screaming at my boyfriend because I'm having a hard time.

We carry him. Anyways we reque for Dusk Vigil again 2 hours later and we got him again. With lvl 40 gears. Joy.

[Dzian]

Situations like that are why I pray every dungeon has several crucial healer specific mechanics (something like the first boss of Satasha HM for example)..

Sastasha hard doesn't have healer specific mechanics. I'm guessing you're referring to tail screw. which is meant to be stunned. and the prey that is meant to be passed to another party member (one that doesn't have stun) so the ones that do have stun can use it...

the only reason it falls on the healers is because no one ever bothers with it since most people outgear it so much. that and they blindly toss out all there stuns for the lol dps increase

It happens in 24 man content all the time. I'll see healers just sit by the door, waiting, never casting a single spell. They'll make sure they sprint to the next area so they can be first (what's the deal with that anyway? I see people do it all the time.), but contributing to the group during fights? Pffft, you wish.

as for people being lazy it's not just a healer thing. yes I see healers standing around doing nothing in 24s mans but I also see dps just afk autoattack with the boss on /follow..

[RenAshdoll]

Ppl going bananas for using Duality on AC

LOL, I do that myself for the opener when I am in a pug party and the tank started a countdown that doesn't match my timers; can't be bothered with requesting a certain amount of time for the countdown when a Vietnamese tank asked me if I wanted to tank with my nin when I requested a longer countdown in Sophia Ex.

The current low in population seems to let me encounter quirky players in df more than usual
- a sprout pld that weave provoke as part of his rotation (you can't miss that animation when fighting Midgardsomr) and never failing to cleave me at the first boss in Keeper despite me standing at different areas to avoid that. Also nvr flash more than once per mob.
- Tanks that always die to Mortal at the first boss fight in WoD. This has gotten so consistent that I went in as a tank this week to prepare to MT the boss
- Another provoke weaving GLD.
- Lvl 60 smn, with a i260 anima book, in a Ifrit story mode fight, casting only Bio. We didn't down the nail in time, resulting in a wipe; haven't wipe that since my first wipe there in 2013.....

And my realization going as a SCH for low level especially those under 50 makes life so much simpler (smn stats, nvr brought a sch to low level since like 2013)

[Chocolys]

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I really wanna know why so many players think that explaining mechanics or explaining how jobs work is being a d*** since this has happened to me like way too often. I politely offer explanations or advice and they respond as if I just insulted their mother -_-

Mostly because some are jerks. Some might have self-issue and take any comment toward their innefficiency as being a personal attack even if it was mean politely as a helpful tip. And finally some newcomers might have been unluckily burned too many times by rude other players and now take it immediatly badly when someone points at them.

About this particular case the previous fact that "you told him that he shouldn't only be casting Ruin II and that he should use his dots Bio, Bio II, and Miasma then Bane them" might have put him on edge already

Personally in random matched group I don't comment on other player skills unless they ask or I feel they will be receptive, or unless it is required to be able to progress a minimum correctly in the dungeon if someone is messing up too badly.

[Urthdigger]

So, a few more fun notes from leveling on Sohm Al. This time on my DRG. We start the dungeon, tank pulls the first two groups at once, but the healer is a little slow on the uptake and the tank dies. Tank responds by immediately leaving, while the healer apologizes for being distracted. Looks like doom and gloom, surely we won't get a tank any time soon. Looks like we'll have to abandon and re--

No.

F that, I spent too long in queue already. I let the healer know to focus me, charge ahead, pull one pack at a time and pull every tanking instinct from the depths of my soul to keep them on me. It's a little dicey at times (and my poor poor TP had never been drier), but we make it to the first boss and beat it. We're on our way to the cryodragon when a tank finally joins to finish up the rest of the run... which is fine by me. Not sure my defenses would have survived either of the remaining bosses' cleaves.

[Awful]

A12 normal for the week Pld tank pops shield oath, Hallowed Ground, Provokes, changes to Sword Oath and the entire raid except for me gets hit with the Divine Spear back to back then the tank leaves after 1 wipe and everyone else leaves. Wat?

[Frowny]

That sounds exactly like the SCH I got stuck with in Tam Tara NM yesterday while Leveling DRG. I actually said something to her, and she up and left the instance.

I see this now and again... though usually from bards (yes, another bard tale).

3-4 wipes on A11N, we kept telling the bard pop foes. Doesn't until 2nd-3rd wipe and says "I have!" I and the OT immediately replied "you were full MP the whole time..."

[Hen-Hen]

Sastasha normal on mentor roulette as an ast.

I get a little excitable in low level stuff, with a little less care about party dynamic mechanics, and I know I can heal through sastasha-level apocalypses, so I'm not worried, I'm a little gung-ho, I combust!

Two pulls in the mch in the party tells me off for pulling ahead of the tank. Oops! I cop to it and tell myself to behave. Rest of the run goes smooth, except the godsdammed machinist is pulling stuff left right and centre like woah. Seriously? After telling me off for that? OK.

Anyway, I didn't say anything about it because I did't want the grief.

I've had a few bad tanks the last couple of days too. Ones who just wouldn't take the lead and pull at all. I had this one in haukke normal who might as well have just been a suit of armour stuffed with potatoes. They wouldn't communicate at all. In the end we were left with little choice but to dismiss.