To all the people saying that the start of monthly fees will be the end of FFXIV...

[EmeraldHill]

Preypacer, I really don't get why you're taking this so personal. I'll have to ask you to calm down and then make a proper response.

[Preypacer]

Preypacer, I really don't get why you're taking this so personal. I'll have to ask you to calm down and then make a proper response.

Ahhh, yes.. a classic ad hominem response; addressing the individual instead of the argument. The last resort of someone who's finally realized their case has no merit.

To correct you once again... My responses have been nothing but proper and perfectly calmly written. I'm kicked back at my computer desk, one leg up on the desk, enjoying a cup of coffee.

I've given you perfectly proper responses, couched in verifiable data and simple logic. The real issue, of course, is that you don't like my responses, but can't adequately refute them without pulling baseless generalizations out of thin air, or using botched math.

I'm not taking it personally at all. I don't know you, you don't know me and I'm sure our individual opinions mean very little to each other at the end of the day. Basically, you're making assertions and statements you can't backup or support with anything but horrible math and hyper-generalized statements pulled out of your rear. I'm reading your statements, recognizing the BS inherent in them, and calling you out on it.

Nothing more.

Thanks for playing though .

[Rhix]

I don't know. Seems like Rhianu won the arguments. She's making solid points, she's making educated inferences and I noticed Bled started typing as if he were looking words up on google when he got called out on his spelling and grammar. GG.

Rhianu, don't let all these arguments sway you from your beliefs. You're absolutely right. And for the record, I'm an accountant

Edit: K. Finally finished reading. Preypacer, you are someone who knows how to structure arguments and cite information in the most correct way I've seen on the forums so far. You've made strong points, have used information to base them with and have called out people's BS. I tip my hat to you.

Emeraldhill, I don't understand why you felt the need to tell Preypacer to "Calm down and make a proper responce" when that's all s/he was doing to begin with. Nowhere did I see any personal attacks or any indication of Preypacer taking it personally.

[Bearforce]

I don't know. Seems like Rhianu won the arguments. She's making solid points, she's making educated inferences and I noticed Bled started typing as if he were looking words up on google when he got called out on his spelling and grammar. GG.

Rhianu, don't let all these arguments sway you from your beliefs. You're absolutely right. And for the record, I'm an accountant

Edit: K. Finally finished reading. Preypacer, you are someone who knows how to structure arguments and cite information in the most correct way I've seen on the forums so far. You've made strong points, have used information to base them with and have called out people's BS. I tip my hat to you.

here's a cookie from rhianu and preypacers cabinet.

[stoned]

Your entire stance makes absolutely no sense.

Let's think about this logically for a moment. In order for FFXIV to be commercially successful, it has to bring in more revenue than it costs to keep it up and running.

Now which of the following options do you think would cost SE more money?

Option A) Keeping FFXIV free for another year, while they continue to spend more and more money on development, updates, and new content.
OR
Option B) Start charging a monthly fee so that they can start to recoup their losses from all the money they've bleed out since FFXIV's launch in 2010.

Popularity and subscription number don't mean squat. A player who isn't paying is making zero money for the company, and therefore the company loses absolutely nothing of monetary value if that person stops playing. Sure, they might lose a subscriber, but subscribers that don't generate any income are -- quite literally -- worthless.

Subscription numbers only matter when there is a subscription fee in place. Having a game with a few paying subscribers will always be more profitable than having a game with tons of non-paying subscribers.

I don't understand why so many people seem to think FFXIV would go under if SE started turning a profit on it. Games go under when they lose money, NOT when they lose subscribers.

In order to stay afloat, income must always be greater than expenses. Honestly, this is basic finances here.

i take it u believe this game is perfect and ready to be sold. to bad they wont get opinioons from new players on this forum just fanboys like u.

[EmeraldHill]

Ahhh, yes.. a classic ad hominem response; addressing the individual instead of the argument. The last resort of someone who's finally realized their case has no merit.

To correct you once again... My responses have been nothing but proper and perfectly calmly written. I'm kicked back at my computer desk, one leg up on the desk, enjoying a cup of coffee.

I've given you perfectly proper responses, couched in verifiable data and simple logic. The real issue, of course, is that you don't like my responses, but can't adequately refute them without pulling baseless generalizations out of thin air, or using botched math.

I'm not taking it personally at all. I don't know you, you don't know me and I'm sure our individual opinions mean very little to each other at the end of the day. Basically, you're making assertions and statements you can't backup or support with anything but horrible math and hyper-generalized statements pulled out of your rear. I'm reading your statements, recognizing the BS inherent in them, and calling you out on it.

Nothing more.

Thanks for playing though .

Ahh, yes. Narcissism, thinking themselves perfect to avoid seeing the truth in others arguments.

The fact of the matter is they will lose a lot of people who would otherwise continue to enjoy the game because they're choosing to reinstate the billing period when the game is only just beginning to flesh itself out. Most of the work on the game has actually been on making this 2.0 version of the game. The current game we're actually playing still has glaring problems and us rational people can see this.

SE wants money. You're arguing they'll make money even if only one person stays and subscribes. Well, duh. That doesn't change that they're wanting money when the game is in a poor state, and instead offers us far off promises of a wondrous game.

Try not to over exert yourself.

[stoned]

It doesn't matter what size the community is. What matters is whether or not they're turning a profit off the players.


Fun fact: FFXIV doesn't have any investors. SE is paying for it entirely out of their own pocket.

SE has fanboy soport from tools like u.... thats all they need. enjoy paying for crap the other 75% of the comunitee that dont matter will cya when the game is finished.

[stoned]

Ahhh, yes.. a classic ad hominem response; addressing the individual instead of the argument. The last resort of someone who's finally realized their case has no merit.

To correct you once again... My responses have been nothing but proper and perfectly calmly written. I'm kicked back at my computer desk, one leg up on the desk, enjoying a cup of coffee.

I've given you perfectly proper responses, couched in verifiable data and simple logic. The real issue, of course, is that you don't like my responses, but can't adequately refute them without pulling baseless generalizations out of thin air, or using botched math.

I'm not taking it personally at all. I don't know you, you don't know me and I'm sure our individual opinions mean very little to each other at the end of the day. Basically, you're making assertions and statements you can't backup or support with anything but horrible math and hyper-generalized statements pulled out of your rear. I'm reading your statements, recognizing the BS inherent in them, and calling you out on it.

Nothing more.

Thanks for playing though .

{troll uses poop slinger} hits forum guys for 20k crit... u get 1000 troll points.

[stoned]

I don't know. Seems like Rhianu won the arguments. She's making solid points, she's making educated inferences and I noticed Bled started typing as if he were looking words up on google when he got called out on his spelling and grammar. GG.

Rhianu, don't let all these arguments sway you from your beliefs. You're absolutely right. And for the record, I'm an accountant

Edit: K. Finally finished reading. Preypacer, you are someone who knows how to structure arguments and cite information in the most correct way I've seen on the forums so far. You've made strong points, have used information to base them with and have called out people's BS. I tip my hat to you.

Emeraldhill, I don't understand why you felt the need to tell Preypacer to "Calm down and make a proper responce" when that's all s/he was doing to begin with. Nowhere did I see any personal attacks or any indication of Preypacer taking it personally.

derp derp derp my gramer and spelling is bad so my opinion meen nothing..... fanboys unite we will troll together

[GabbaGabba]

is it the end of nov yet?