I'll pay anything for this Chocobo Barding

[ReplicaX]

I honestly can't believe...snip

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Yet, you clearly have no issue coming back with the same, in your own words "toxicity" for those with differing opinions.

As a stated very early in the thread, the chocobo you posted is a Legacy Mount and not regular barding, they simply won't sell it. They could design more barding options, that's always a possibly.

[Atoli]

It's not even about the value of pixels, technically buying a video game in general is just paying for pixels and the systems behind them and we all do it^^
The problem is with the mentality of "let me throw money at it even if I could have it for free".

You don't enter a themepark (after paying at the entrance to be allowed to enjoy the park to it's fullest) and then go beg the people at every attraction to take extra money so you may use the attraction while also trying to convince them that no one else may use it for the entry price anymore and has to pay extra
This is no different: we all pay a monthly fee to play, so it's not like we get anything "for free", the devs get paid to do their work with that money. So the only reason I can think of why you would offer to pay extra is to try and "bribe" SE into giving your wish priority over others' suggestions in other threads.


That said, OP is pretty obviously trolling by now, so whatever.

[Teryaani]

You don't enter a themepark (after paying at the entrance to be allowed to enjoy the park to it's fullest) and then go beg the people at every attraction to take extra money so you may use the attraction while also trying to convince them that no one else may use it for the entry price anymore and has to pay extra
This is no different: we all pay a monthly fee to play, so it's not like we get anything "for free", the devs get paid to do their work with that money. So the only reason I can think of why you would offer to pay extra is to try and "bribe" SE into giving your wish priority over others' suggestions in other threads.

The cash shop bits aren't the attractions though. A better comparison would be that they're the souvenir miqo'te ears and behemoth t-shirt.

[Atoli]

The cash shop bits aren't the attractions though. A better comparison would be that they're the souvenir miqo'te ears and behemoth t-shirt.

If you want to go with this, it's more like, they used to hand out free Miqo'te ear headbands at the entrance to every visitor because they are cheap and were considered part of the experience you paid for with your entrance fee, and now someone comes along and tries to pay for them seperately while also convincing the owners of the park to not give them to the people at all anymore but put them in souvenir shops at the end and make them pay extra for something that originally was part of what they had already paid for.

(And I am not talking about seasonal stuff that gets put into the cash shop - fact is, if you missed the event you didn't pay the sub at the time so it is justified to have to pay for it afterwards. I'm talking about cash shop exclusives that rightfully SHOULD be in the game because that's what we pay the sub for: so the devs create things for us, be it content, a new area or a new dress.)

[Teryaani]

If you want to go with this, it's more like, they used to hand out free Miqo'te ear headbands at the entrance to every visitor because they are cheap and were considered part of the experience you paid for with your entrance fee, and now someone comes along and tries to pay for them seperately while also convincing the owners of the park to not give them to the people at all anymore but put them in souvenir shops at the end and make them pay extra for something that originally was part of what they had already paid for.

That works only if those items would would have been available in game if it wasn't for the cash shop. That may not be true for all the items in there. My own opinion on it is that either some of these wouldn't be there or they would have been gated in an obnoxious fashion.

[Jandor]

My own opinion on it is that either some of these wouldn't be there or they would have been gated in an obnoxious fashion.

Heh, like for example, asking for even more money?

[Teryaani]

Heh, like for example, asking for even more money?

If something would take me 16 joyless hours of grinding then that cash purchase is far less onerous for me.

The fact that it may not even exist if there wasn't a profit to be made from it also plays a role.

[Neophyte]

You explained why it's good for SE, but not really why it's good for me or any other customer. We're not here for Squares benefit, they're here for ours.

I know they can run the game perfectly well without the cash shop, they did it before.

Unless SE gets a bigger share (afair Mogstation Income goes to FF14 budget) and unless the ones developing/producing don't get much more money... where do you think that money ends up? Wasn't the server move to europe paid with incomes from the store?

Let's put it like this: Create an body armor for cost of 20.000€ dev cost and sell it 4000 times for 15$ and you end up with enough money to create 2 more body armors you can give out for free.
We have less subscribers now than at the peak of ARR, but more money is invested in SB than in HW. Why do you think they were able to do this?

[Jandor]

If something would take me 16 joyless hours of grinding then that cash purchase is far less onerous for me.
The fact that it may not even exist if there wasn't a profit to be made from it also plays a role.

I'm pretty sure everything bar the Fat Moogle would still exist, maybe even that. Everything is pretty much either an old event item, a recolour of something that exists, or something that was rather prominently being rode around by a well known NPC.
Can I ask you a question? Would you opposed to the Fat Moogle, Sleipnir and Bennu appearing in game so long as they were locked behind a roughly 16 hour long grind?

Wasn't the server move to europe paid with incomes from the store?

So they say, after saying there is no extra money for it, which they said only shortly after saying they made so much money from FFXIV they could afford to create a real life Dalamud and host the servers in space (or you know, just a hell of a lot of money.)

Let's put it like this: Create an body armor for cost of 20.000€ dev cost and sell it 4000 times for 15$ and you end up with enough money to create 2 more body armors you can give out for free.

You could, or you could charge for those as well, or you give all 3 out for free as your dev costs are already covered by a subscription. Also, that it is a really expensive armor, I don't think it costs that much to create armor.

We have less subscribers now than at the peak of ARR, but more money is invested in SB than in HW. Why do you think they were able to do this?

They do it because 2.X and 3.X provided big returns on investment, it stands to reason that a bigger investment in 4.X will result in a bigger return.
I don't know how successful the cash shop is, but judging by its slow and steady expansion I'd imagine it gives a very good return on investment too. Unfortunately IMHO, because it seems fairly obvious that the most profitable parts of the game will get the most focus eventually. The balance is 'ok' for now, but it won't stay ok if we keep offering to pay extra for everything.

[Khubla_Kha]

If something would take me 16 joyless hours of grinding then that cash purchase is far less onerous for me.

The fact that it may not even exist if there wasn't a profit to be made from it also plays a role.

And this is why games now suck. Because devs know better than to put content in as a part of a game and rather just put them in as items in a digital shop. Congratulations you've ruined the entire purpose of the MMO which is to experience the living world that has been created and acquire items through that experience. Now you've created an entirely new genre of game Cash Shop w/ MMO like features. On top of that we're going to charge you not only for the items in the shop but also a monthly sub to play our MMO-lite.

Everybody loves dress up Barbie time being the primary focus of their chosen MMO.