Can I play drk like I play pally

[bswpayton]

Ok well I think Ill try my best to take heed to what you guys are saying just , the real issue for me is the fact that the mp drain takes away from unleash more than two or three times, When Ive been able to use it 5 to 6 times are more I had no problem with keeping hate or killing mobs, its when I have had darkside up from the start that Ive run out of mp if blood price is on cool down that made me end up losing hate, Its just unleash is just so good and so much better than flash , that if I lose and add and I dont have it , it can ruin a run , but when I do have it aviable all the time I havent had a single problem

[Launched]

If you're losing aggro with Grit and Darkside up you're doing something incredibly wrong. If you're using Unleash without Darkside it's actually generating less enmity without crits than Flash.

[FeliAiko]

Ok well I think Ill try my best to take heed to what you guys are saying just , the real issue for me is the fact that the mp drain takes away from unleash more than two or three times, When Ive been able to use it 5 to 6 times are more I had no problem with keeping hate or killing mobs, its when I have had darkside up from the start that Ive run out of mp if blood price is on cool down that made me end up losing hate, Its just unleash is just so good and so much better than flash , that if I lose and add and I dont have it , it can ruin a run , but when I do have it aviable all the time I havent had a single problem

You're relying on Unleash too much. For one thing you should weave it in in-between combos, instead of just spamming it. For example: Unleash > Power Slash Combo > Unleash > Souleater/Derelium Combo (which gives you MP via Syphon Strike) > Unleash. Then you proceed to cycle/tab through targets as you do each stage of your single target combos, using Unleash when/if needed.

At later stages you'll get Dark Passenger and Abyssal Drain to further help in AOE dmg/threat. Also with Darkside up, Unleash will do more damage, which means more threat hence less need to spam it 5-6 times as you're doing.

Anyways, the MP management is meant to be part of the Job's difficulty. If you can't handle that element of it, then either learn how to or just stick to the 'basic' tank that's PLD. Don't take on Jobs that's meant to be advanced and try to go half-assed on the basic tenants of it. You're only making things inconvenient for the rest of your party.

[bswpayton]

If you're losing aggro with Grit and Darkside up you're doing something incredibly wrong. If you're using Unleash without Darkside it's actually generating less enmity without crits than Flash.

I guess Ill be honest I havent tried a run with bloodweapon up the whole time because of the mp drain, so Ill have to just do that and see if it works better Im just so concerned with losing arggo and not having the ability to use unleash if I run into trouble , are really I think its for the walking adds where if i pull a mob and then its an add off to the side and ive used almost all of my mp because of the darkside drain. Thats what Im worried about the patrol moobs happen to me in stone temple I had blood weapon up and it was a patrol and and I couldnt use unleash cause darkside had drained all my mp

[ErdrickLoto]

There should only ever be one patrolling-type mob... In that case, you should just use Unmend. There's no reason to use Unleash just because there's one mob that you don't have aggro on. Unmend or the aggro combo should be sufficient then - absolute worst-case scenario, use Provoke and follow up with one of the two.

But there's absolutely no reason to be spamming Unleash if you have a solid hold on aggro, which you should with Darkside + Grit.

[bswpayton]

You're .

Well I have been only playing the class about two days just got to hw , so the reason I made this thread was to ask if I could play a more defensive style version of drk as opposeed to the more offensive style. So I was going from experiences I was never losing arggo , are having any issues even if I spamed unleash five to 6 times, when I started using darkside on mobs is when I first ran into my first problem with the class tryin to pulll more than three adds on the lower level dungeons. I was running out of mp and couldnt use unleash as much and it was the first times I ended up dying playing this class. where as when I was just holding hate and doing my combos without darkside up I was doing fine in the same dungeons, so its more of a question not something I was set in stone with.

[AlphaFox]

When I think on it, if your using Darkside and Grit 2-3 unleash should be enough to hold hate unless you have an AOE group that is going full force on them but for the most part 5 or 6 is a bit much. Just like any other tank once you have them grouped up and do your hate combo on the main target, tab around or cycle the enemies and see how they stand and apply your dot or smack em with your MP combo. 1>tab>2>tab>3 just to keep it up while gaining back your missing mp, mixed with blood price MP should never be a major issue. The only time I ever found myself go low on MP was pulling a large group with Blood Price and starting my Dark Arts> Abyssal Drain (to keep my HP up and hate) and finding the healer stunning all the enemies in the group, the only time I really hate Holy. xD

[Amirya]

You're making excuses. So what if you're temporarily unable to use Unleash? Cross-class Provoke. Use Unmend.

FFS, run over and start hitting them.

Just stop making excuses.

[bswpayton]

You're making excuses. So what if you're temporarily unable to use Unleash? Cross-class Provoke. Use Unmend.

FFS, run over and start hitting them.

Just stop making excuses.

obviously I have provoke and have used it, I guess I really just never gave it a chance to try bloodweapon the whole dungeon I will do this and see my results , I just dont wana whip a party if it causes strain keeping argo , just the fear that my learning the class will make it bad on others, because I guess when I was doing it my way even if it wasnt correct I was gettin through dungeons with ease , I just got a bit more complicated with darkside, and also and Im guessin this is wrong I would figure that attack more than one add with unleash is overall better than attack one target with my combos , just feels like pali all over again so I guess I got carryed away with unleash thats really what it boils down to

[Amirya]

You're more likely to wipe a party by refusing to use Darkside to generate more aggro.

Dark Knight isn't meant to be an Unleash spammer. And a DRK isn't a PLD. Don't try to play them as the same.