Monk Macros with Proper Rotation!

[Kitfox]

anyone...even the most proficient Monk in FF14 can have a bad day.

Yes, exactly. Even a MNK using macros will make mistakes. That's my point. Everyone will make mistakes regardless of their input method, and with practice both will make the same amount of mistakes, but one system will be better overall.

also that assuming all players who do Macro will never learn to play Monk properly without Macros is kinda presumptuous wouldn't you say?

I'm not assuming that at all. I'm only saying that it will hinder them because they're different ways to play. They'll have to learn two systems instead of one, which will be slower, a hinderance. I'm assuming (and hoping) everyone will eventually get to the same point with practice. I don't understand why you would want to get there slower, or use a flawed system when you get there. Why learn two ways of playing, when you could learn one? What was is about keeping things simple?

Macros are very useful for call outs and crafting, I'm not denying their usefulness. But for fighting they're not, because they make you slower and less flexible. They also delay learning the proper way to maximize DPS. I just don't see any upsides to using them. But as long as it's understood that they're not an optimal way to play, I don't really care.

Also, anyone saying using macros is a gigantic loss like 50% dps is just trolling. Using the same exact rotation with the only difference of activating GCDs with macros, I really can't imagine the difference being more than 5-10%. But if your macros are bad and the rotation is NOT the same optimal rotation down to the oGCDs, then the loss can obviously be anything up to 100%. It is pretty hard to maintain a perfect rotation with macros while also gaining significant simplification at the same time though, which is why I don't see the point.

[TheRealMadruck]

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Kitfox, do me a favor and I ask this with all sincerity and kindness.....copy my macro....try it yourself for casual or midcore content not Raids or Endgame. Second, to me its not slow whatsoever! Learning to sub maybe 6 buttons compared to the 18 that the monk has to use at its core it nothing to overcome. I agree that some may have that issue, but as I already stated....Macros are for players that want to use them as it is a built in system for FF14. Again, we won't agree on this subject, you think Macros are bad overall in regards to any form of DPS role and I respectfully disagree with you based on my data I have provided publicly.

If you truly want to alter my stance on this contrary to my video and data, please post your own demonstration using my simple macro and show at the same time your data while doing so like I have. Anything other than that is again pure opinion on your part while I have documented data accessible to the public that clearly shows my information. Please so not take this negatively as you have been incredibly respectful, but I believe in facts and to many people on youtube and in the forums make claims they are not willing to provide themselves to show as proof. When someone does provide a actual video showing a different detail on the data, I will show them high regard and take all their information into strong accord.

[Kitfox]

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Whether or not you consider delay significant is your opinion. The delay exists and I would rather do without it, because I can. I've learned to play the game without macros and I'm completely fine using 40 buttons for my battle actions. I don't see any point in limiting myself on purpose since I've tried macros for a lot of things in the past and I know how they work. There's already 2 videos in this thread displaying the specific problem I have with macros, one using proper rotation presenting a 10% dps loss, and yours using a subpar rotation presenting a 2% dps loss. Both videos present the same problem, in-built delays caused by macroed abilities not queueing. I don't see how my own testing would add anything to that.

Again, if you don't consider the delay significant, that's your opinion. You've proven it yourself that it does indeed exist. I don't particularly care about your stance on things as long as you don't spread misinformation.

[HelSpites]

If you truly want to alter my stance on this contrary to my video and data, please post your own demonstration using my simple macro and show at the same time your data while doing so like I have.

So, this thread got me to go make a thing. Here's you go. Here's how your macro stacks up against an actual monk rotation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFCRXdFR7iw

[Frowny]

So, this thread got me to go make a thing. Here's you go. Here's how your macro stacks up against an actual monk rotation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFCR...ature=youtu.be

While I appreciate the effort you put into this, I'm also sad we need video evidence when everyone who has played a DPS has said the same thing....

[SmallHobbit]

monk skills are one of the most easiest one because the skills already glowing to tell you "Press me now! here i am please press me!!!" and to make it more fail safe they even dosent work when you press the wrong one and you still need a macro for it
oh boy

regards hobbit

[TheRealMadruck]

So, this thread got me to go make a thing. Here's you go. Here's how your macro stacks up against an actual monk rotation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFCR...ature=youtu.be

Thank you Helspites for that Video, so you did exactly as I stated and proved exactly my point! Lets do your math....total without Macro's is 2017, total using your modified Macro(good to see you took my information by heart and adjust to it with your playstyle)1747, subtract 1747 from 2017 you get a difference of 264. 264 is a % loss of 13.08 Compared to the Numbers others have said of upwards of 30% or more. Secondly, you state that I made the comment that the DPS loss from the 2nd video applies to my first video...I never said that.....https://youtu.be/GIh6eGFrxFs?t=215 If you clearly look at my 2nd video during my test you clearly saw a 2 line macro compared again to the 5-6 line macro from my first video in which I clearly stated would be a larger DPS loss on my 2nd video! So you make a blanket statement that I said that the dps from my video test from my 2nd video applies to my primary macro from video 1 which is utterly false. So again, the test you did on a 5-6 line item Macro yet again proves my data, that the dps you lose is not as massive as other claim it to be. Now try correctly to do a test on my actual 2nd video macro with only 2 line items and compare the actual dps you lose then.....not the 5-6 line item you claim I stated. But thank you for confirming my data and showing others the misconception that Macros are a severe dps loss when it comes to using them in casual to midcore content....NOT ENDGAME, In which my video clearly states!

[Taika]

Lets do your math....total without Macro's is 2017, total using your modified Macro(good to see you took my information by heart and adjust to it with your playstyle)1747, subtract 1747 from 2017 you get a difference of 264. 264 is a % loss of 13.08

So at level 60 using your macros results in 13% of DPS loss which is a massive decrease in DPS. Let's just end the discussion there.

The test was not the 2 line item macro with only a loss of 2%.

As far as I know, no one in this thread has posted any confirmation that using the 2 line macro would only be a 2% DPS loss when used by a level 60 competent MNK. The difference between macros and direct abilities only grows the higher level, item level and skill level the player comparing them is.

[TheRealMadruck]

So at level 60 using your macros results in 13% of DPS loss which is a massive decrease in DPS. Let's just end the discussion there.

If you feel that using the macros does not work for you, then do not use them. I do not use them when I do endgame content, but as I stated the test he did was with a modified version of a 5-6 line item macro in which was a loss of 13%. The test was not the 2 line item macro that I did which showed data with only a loss of 2%.

[Caitlyn]

and showing others the misconception that Macros are a severe dps loss when it comes to using them in casual to midcore content....NOT ENDGAME, In which my video clearly states!

The main problem here is, that players could use your macros for midcore/casual-content and never learn how to play Monk without them. Then, the time will come, where they want to play endgame-content and got a huge problem, because they have to learn how to play Monk all over again. Your Monk-macro seems to be not that bad, but that doesnt change the fact, that you should not use macros for combos. Make it easy at the beginning makes it harder at the end.

Like I ve previously stated, it COULD cause more problems than solving it. If you need to stun a boss because of a specific mechanic (like Coil 5), you actually wasted your stun in your standard rotation (because of macro). Featherfoot and Blood Bath should not be used in your macro because you dont need them. Your macro COULD make things easier for casual/midcore content. But when it comes to 60, you still have more than enough skills left you have to activate manually (like your Off-GCDs and your DoT), so a few less buttons doesnt makes a huge difference in my opinion. Using macros can make things go terribly wrong, especially when you have no idea which skill was used before ^^.

During my tests, my thumb hurts so much by pressing the same button all over again xD