i am not mass pull tank

[MihaelB]

Do that with the wrong tank and they'll be on the ground. Inflate your parser stats on someone else's time.

Optimising your rotation is beneficial to yourself and the community's skill level. Being ignorant or straight denying how to improve is just a negative deficit, resulting in a continual of dumbed down kid proof content from the developers.

[madolyn]

Im inbetween on this. When I was tank main I would pull a few packs at a time if everyone was cool with it. When i play on my BLM, its fun to AoE stuff down. Now that I mostly play healers, It can be dreadful sometimes and extremely unfun if the tank pulls too much leaving me to just spam heals (especially if theyre undergeared and do it because someone told them to/saw it in a video) when I have more I can do in my kit. I like to do other stuff besides spam one button.

I think pulling a few manageable packs is fine but not too much that leaves health dropping too rapidly. I have been in dungeons before though that were just as fast as a mass pull when the tank was only doing one pack at a time. /shrug

P.S. if you're going to mass pull several packs, USE A COOLDOWN PLS.

[Fluffernuff]

Not sure if this is even relevant to the current conversation (i skipped skimming through the possible derailment a couple pages in), but I have a story about this.

A few weeks back, I got into a level 60 roulette as a DRK. Got into arboretum....great, just GREAT. the only dungeon with a DPS check as a trash pull. Ugh...

Anyway, the 2 DPS were ninja and black mage. Ok, black mage is in assorted 250+ stuff (crafted and A-Normal trade ins right after the patch drop). So I assume this is their main and they have some proficiency. Ninja, however, is a first time and have the old Eso gear. At the time I secondary'd Ninja, so I hoped they understand they have SOME AoE damage to help out with every pull. But ultimately, they could be the best ninja to ever grace the game, and they wouldn't have been much a dent. 12 bless their heart though.

Well, I do the first big pull no problem. I'm comfortable with mass pulls. I even joke to my healers about how twitchy I get when I only pull 3 mobs. Anyway, I digress. The pulls takes alot longer than I'd like. Alot slower than is normal. that first pull took ~2-3 minutes. How do I know this? I got to use 2, TWO sole survivors in that pull. Ridiculously low damage. Ok I have an idea what kind of DPS we have now. only 1 more pack before the first boss those like 5 or 6 fat....bulby things with like 400 HP. They died.

No, the horror truly starts on the 1st boss. I'm not going to write out every little thing that pained my heart, so I'll summarize it in a way most of you can understand;
5 turn cycles. Not a single Thunder DoT. No Slashing debuff. No mutilate/shadowfang.

I started piecing things together at this moment. The DPS was low! It was then that I did the unthinkable. It was then I committed heresy. A crime so vile as to get me removed from my tanking position for all eternity...

I only pulled one group at a time!

I know, I know. Please put away those torches, I have atoned for my sins. I have served for my crimes! But the damage was done! After the first pull and the boss, I was hyper-aware of my groups shortcomings and so I did another heinous act: I started watching the BLM's cast bars! I know! It was wrong of me to invade their privacy!
However, through this breach of personal information, I discovered an ice mage, and no AoE! (I know their AoE isn't all that amazing on 3 targets, but to not use ANY AoE? That can't be right...)

And then we were there. the onset of the honey run. I remembered the pain up until this moment. I KNEW without a doubt that, we were not going to break that wall. If I were to do such a pull, we would all die. We WOULD all die, and I was convinced that, even weakened from the first attempt, the wall would resist a second push. to prevent 2 wipes, I once again commited heresy and pulled only to each wall and focused on the trash mobs.

It was then my heresy was discovered. "Pull more already! Why arent we doing the full pulls here!?" The Black Mage knew! THEY KNEW! I had to respond. They would not like my response though... "We don't have the DPS for the full pull here. AoE has been lacking and the boss lived too long." After that moment, the BLM would groan and gripe, but they started to actually pick it up! They were doing proper-loooking BLM shenanigans! I ACTUALLY SAW A THUNDER DoT!

However, it did not stop them from being rather passive-aggressive, but overall no drama came of it.


SO! in response to this whole "tanks needing to always mass pull without exception" scenario...
Mass pulls are not always on the tank to do. I will always start with a mass-pull, but its on the DPS to contribute. I will revoke the "privilege" of a "faster" run only if you actually bother to help me with that. I don't need a parser to know a BLM is "bad" when I see blizzard 3 in a trash pack of 10+ mobs at 50%+ HP. I don't need a parser to see that I have cooldowns up far sooner than I should.

I will adjust to YOUR speed. Give me a reason WHY I should continue to mass pull before you start verbally assaulting me. I made my choice based on YOUR performance.
This sort of scenario is extremely common in DF and is why I will NEVER force a tank to "pull more already".

Either that or it's patch day and I dont know where the gates are, so I'm going to test the waters.

[Yeol]

He/She already gave you a reason as to why they prefre not to do it.
Why does this matter to you all so much? o.o

[SpookyGhost]

He/She already gave you a reason as to why they prefre not to do it.
Why does this matter to you all so much? o.o

It's a team based game. Them preferring to go slow means that they could end up with other people who don't want to go slow (which is most people), thus resulting in them getting kicked or agitating everyone. Surely they'd prefer to be welcome in all teams over just the ones that go the slowest. Do people forget that XIV is an MMO? Has DF really made everyone think that everyone's just NPCs?

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Has DF really made everyone think that everyone's just NPCs?

Considering how some people treat others, I wouldn't be surprised. Probably think everyone is predictable like an NPC then throw a fit when it's not.

[Derio]

I always do one baby pull to test the group dps. If they pass then mass pulls, if not I will continue to baby feed them.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Unfortunately, with how powerful everyone is in lv 50/60 dungeons, if you're not mass pulling you're purposely wasting time.

A healer would sooner pull themselves and stack heals on themselves than deal with a short pulling tank. It's simply the nature of this game in the layer dungeons, enjoy short pulls in the levels dungeons though.

See what I find funny is you go through the whole class quests etc with bigger pulls and then they enter the dungeon and pick 2 or 3.

Yes if learning the class take it slow and steady, but aim to better yourself and keep adding a few extra each run. I am sort of the opposite, I over pull on first time tanking a dungeon and then apologise and slightly decrease on next pull and succeed :P

Although, I will check and adjust my size of pull depending on which classes/level(due to some having weaker AOE's at certain levels) I have in the party.

[Yeol]

It's a team based game. Them preferring to go slow means that they could end up with other people who don't want to go slow (which is most people), thus resulting in them getting kicked or agitating everyone. Surely they'd prefer to be welcome in all teams over just the ones that go the slowest. Do people forget that XIV is an MMO? Has DF really made everyone think that everyone's just NPCs?

They did not say that they prefer small pulls. They have to do it because they suffer from ADHD and is afraid of things going wrong if they do larger pulls. He is being considerate.

It is the same case with color blind people. That would be me.
You would hate me if I enter a training party for Extreme/Savage with you. I cannot see some AoEs, differentiate between some buffs/debuffs and some visual mechanics make it hard for me to see. Which is why I don't join PF training parties. I prefer to learn with my static who are aware of my condition. It takes time but in the end I can do it. Then I am confident enough to farm it with everyone else in PF/RF.

I expected people to give some advise to OP rather than telling him to stop playing tank. Maybe if he gave it a couple of tries with FC or friends he could manage to do it.

[tymora]

1. Casual glance at party hp, especially healer's and dps types. If HP is lower than is "normal", small pulls, otherwise big pulls.
2. If on borderline, defer to healer for decision.
3. If both dps are single target focused, small pulls but join in the dps fun. Melting small pulls fast can be just as fast.

I have seen BLMs who can't dps for nuts and I have seen DRGs who aoe like champs.
If in doubt, just pop a question in party. If no one answers, then its not your problem any more.