Is it a ToS violation to /sh spoiler of other video games?

[Khubla_Kha]

What sort of question is this?

[Kaurie]

What sort of question is this?

Seems like a pretty legitimate concern. It really should be against the ToS. Personally, I find it more harassing than if someone were to tell me my DPS is too low :\

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Seems like a pretty legitimate concern. It really should be against the ToS. Personally, I find it more harassing than if someone were to tell me my DPS is too low :\

In that case, why not make it where talking politics in the game bans you because I don't want to hear politics? How about we ban people that don't want newbies in their party?

Banning people over spoilers is asinine beyond belief and sounds like nothing more than someone wanting to be the thought police.

[Kaurie]

In that case, why not make it where talking politics in the game bans you because I don't want to hear politics? How about we ban people that don't want newbies in their party?

Banning people over spoilers is asinine beyond belief and sounds like nothing more than someone wanting to be the thought police.

That is a false equivalency. A spoiler is something that you hear that will ruin the experience of media, due to not being able to not hear it. It's not that you just don't like discussing the topic at hand.

The point is also the intent, where the intent of someone spoiling is to simply ruin someone else's experience and/or enjoyment for their own satisfaction. It's a negative behaviour which hurts the community. Discussing politics does not have this same sort of intent.

[JunseiKei]

The point is also the intent, where the intent of someone spoiling is to simply ruin someone else's experience and/or enjoyment for their own satisfaction.

That would be harassment, and that is a ToS violation.

Let me just be clear here:
Spoiling something is not the violation. Purposely doing something that you know will negatively impact a person, AKA personal malice, while gaining sadistic pleasure is the violation.

EDIT: RIP daily post limit. Time to go to bed. o7

[Welsper59]

That would be harassment, and that is a ToS violation.

Let me just be clear here:
Spoiling something is not the violation. Purposely doing something that you know will negatively impact a person, AKA personal malice, while gaining sadistic pleasure is the violation.

While not a ban in the game, weren't there forum bans being handed out at the end of ARR for spoiler topics that weren't tagged as "spoilers" or obviously if the title had one? I recall a sticky thread by one of the CMs posted, warning us about that.

[Khubla_Kha]

That would be harassment, and that is a ToS violation.

Let me just be clear here:
Spoiling something is not the violation. Purposely doing something that you know will negatively impact a person, AKA personal malice, while gaining sadistic pleasure is the violation.

EDIT: RIP daily post limit. Time to go to bed. o7

I'll peel it back a bit on my end and say:

Agreed. But, what you're describing is trolling which is already established as a punishable offense. Simply spoiling a game by way of conversing about the topic or expressing an opinion on the topic is not and shouldn't be a violation. The OP asked if spoiling another game is against ToS. It is not and should not be. You can't just assume the intent when no context is provided.

Objectively, spoiling a game is not against ToS. In the context of trolling sure it is, but most things are when pursued with malice/ill intent toward other members of the community.

And I will reiterate that having a video game spoiled is in no way, shape, or form a traumatizing event. Categorizing it as such implies a level of naivety/world view that is so narrow that it is "mind bottling".

[Kaurie]

Agreed. But, what you're describing is trolling which is already established as a punishable offense. Simply spoiling a game by way of conversing about the topic or expressing an opinion on the topic is not and shouldn't be a violation. The OP asked if spoiling another game is against ToS. It is not and should not be. You can't just assume the intent when no context is provided.

The context was given was shouting. If you are just randomly shouting spoilers, the intent is fairly clear. If you're in the middle of a conversation and a spoiler slips, then it's clearly not. It may vary depending on server, but regular conversations don't happen via shout that I see.

[JunseiKei]

I'll peel it back a bit on my end and say:

Agreed. But, what you're describing is trolling which is already established as a punishable offense. Simply spoiling a game by way of conversing about the topic or expressing an opinion on the topic is not and shouldn't be a violation. The OP asked if spoiling another game is against ToS. It is not and should not be. You can't just assume the intent when no context is provided.

Objectively, spoiling a game is not against ToS. In the context of trolling sure it is, but most things are when pursued with malice/ill intent toward other members of the community.

And I will reiterate that having a video game spoiled is in no way, shape, or form a traumatizing event. Categorizing it as such implies a level of naivety/world view that is so narrow that it is "mind bottling".

Yes and no. Trolling can be as simple as playing a harmless trick on someone, like these awesome vendors. What people come to associate most, but not all, trolling to is little more than bullying.

What you're talking about is taking things out of context in a sterile environment. Generally, unless you're new in a linkshell, free company or around people you don't really know, spoiling something accidentally is harmless because it was done out of ignorance of others' opinions and stances. However, if you're in a situation where you know people don't want spoilers, then you're being pretty malicious. Slip ups can happen, but that's also on you for not taking extra care.

That being said, reporting something like this as harassment rarely has anything come out of it simply because unless you're telling that person to stop doing what they are doing as it bothers you, a GM has no way of telling if it is harassment, other than by your word. A player's word isn't good enough. That's not opinion; you need proof. If you ask someone to stop and they keep persisting on, say, spoiling something for you, you now have grounds for harassment and proof for an investigation to be made against the offending player.