Early Regen Spams In All Grades of Content

[Aillith]

As I main whm I only ever have to come across other healers in 8+content.

Thankfully I never see this happening on jp servers.

There is no need to precast HOTs. It doesn't even speed up damage. Just go into battle in cleric - throw up your dots, then drop cleric and start applying hots.

The tank doesnt need immediate healing. They start with a full hp bar. In most biss battles the first aoe enemy attack doesn't happen until hate is well established. So med 2 isnt needed until after you've thrown.in a bunch of stone 3s and such.

[GraumSenpai]

my favorite healer is the ones in 4 man who keep a 24/7 regen up on all 4 members of the party, and then when they are done wasting time, they sit there and wait to do it again.

But as stated before, your problem does not come from regen being a terrible thing to precast (Medica II is, its useless since it doesn't provide a shield), but from that player just being bad.

[LunaFaye]

I don't see the problem, lately I run in these healers too and apparently it's the new winter trend to cast medica II and regen right before or on pull. I always turn any tank stance off and let the healer die, some need 3 times before they realize that their behavior is just plain bs, others learn it after the first time, and in some very rare occasions some rage quit. That's great because than at least you get a new healer that knows how to play their class lol.

[bswpayton]

So just tryin to get an understand pre cast u mean right before a pull when no adds are around are after the tank has hit his first enemy , ive done medica two right after using stone 2 and its never pulled hate to me on a boss before , I can understand with a party but ur sayin wit a boss as well?

[Aryn_Lastrov]

On bosses there's literally no reason not to precast a regen on the tank. There's 0 chance of you pulling aggro and it lets you precast your dots and dps. It's a completely free heal, and you regen the mp used outside of battle. Precasting a medica 2? Yeah that's really excessive and only serves to give you aggro.

[Katlyna]

Honestly SE should fix this issue. Regens should not generate notable aggro at the start of combat (or anytime honstly). Reguardless even with its current aggro precasting regen should never ACTUALLY be a problem for a tank except during patches when healers aggro tables are broken (I'm looking at you Astrologian!). I will admit though in savage content, precasting regen can sometimes result in you getting your face pummeled. In which case you should get into the habit of NOT precasting regen period.

Again this is something SE should fix. Especially due to... rant incoming.

While precasting regen before combat has obvious issues. There is a secondary issue which is just as problematic, healing up during downtimes of EX/Savage fights. Most of the time the healers aggro surges but doesn't overtake the tanks. But during fights where downtime is significant and party healing is high things can get wonky. Likewise when the healers are poorly tuned on aggro things can get really skewed up. We ran into this all the time in Thor EX on my Astrologer. I reached a point where solo healing the fight was something I could handle. UNFORTUNATELY ripping aggro off the tank during transitions would occur. I literally had to throttle my transition healing to make sure I didn't pull aggro. And this wasn't off just BAD tanks. This was off any tank. My friend who is fantastic at savage content was flabbergasted the first time doing the fight with me and watching the boss go screaming after my astro booty. On the up side we laughed our asses off on discord listening to different tanks shock as they would loose aggro.

While the above problem is most prevalent when healer aggro is screwed up. It can still occur in current content when people are incurring too many mistakes, but your healer is able to correct them by being awesome. Again when the conditions are right (especially when your tank stance dances to DPS) this can cause the healer to end up top on the threat list. Again IMO this is a design problem SE should deal with. Its not super interesting having healers magically show up as top threat when the the wind is south, the dog pooped in the left corner, and nana bear bit Joe at 4:00. Obviously its a math and conditions problem... but when crazy healer threat occurs it feels random, crazy, and not useful. Its one of those things I wish the game would do away with.

[Cynfael]

So just tryin to get an understand pre cast u mean right before a pull when no adds are around are after the tank has hit his first enemy , ive done medica two right after using stone 2 and its never pulled hate to me on a boss before , I can understand with a party but ur sayin wit a boss as well?

"Precasting" can mean either of two things depending on context and on the person:

1. Beginning your casting animation so that it completes just as damage hits, a mechanic happens, or what-have-you. E.g. You know that a raid-wide AoE is winding up, so you begin your AoE heal cast so that it concludes just as the damage registers.

2. Simply casting something ahead of time.

What most of us are criticizing is the practice of putting regen effects on tanks and entire parties before the fight has even started and before any damage has actually gone out.

[randysquirrel]

there are no fights where the boss does a hard-hitting raidwide aoe within a few seconds of the encounter starting, so pre-pull medica 2s or even regens are just unnecessary overhealing

I can't think of any fights where we don't have both healers starting in cleric and dpsing (with precast shields) and MH drops cleric when needed, usually tossing out a heal and regen then back to cleric

[Nagoto]

As others have said - it's habbits from other MMO's. WoW, rift, aion, wildstar and hell I even pre stoneskin/regened in XI.

I've been healing in MMO's since 02 and even I got irritated when My tank scoled me for pre-hotting him on pulls.

It isn't obvious how much it impacts emitity for sure. It litteraly takes a Tank to tell you and hopefully that tank explains it instead of just screaming.

[Neophyte]

You're the first one I've seen with this opinion. I mentioned this in the healer pet peeve thread because in all the time I've played a healer in this game, it's been very common in trials for the whm to cast Medica II right before the pull and scatter. It was something I learned from those around me. But it was communicated that it was a very bad idea. The irony is that after the feedback I tried *not* doing it in a trial and someone yelled about its absence. But what you describe with a single target is what has been my experience. I gain no additional aggro but I make sure to stay near enough the tank until mechanics dictate moving away that I don't make their job harder having to chase me if I do.

Regen =/= Medica 2.

Regen: 75 healing potency turned into emnity every 3s. Absolutly no problem.
Medica 2: 8*25 = 200 healing potency turned into emnity every 3s. Might be a problem.