Early Regen Spams In All Grades of Content

[Kitfox]

Early Regen makes no difference in encouters with one target, or multiple that are picked on the same moment. Tank will be able to handle the small HoT enmity with their initial hate grab. It's only a problem when pulling multiple groups of enemies with limited hate output from tank, eg. only Flashing each group once or plain body pulling through hordes of enemies. Another problem is tanks engaging enemy groups with their ranged attack, causing them to spin their GCD as the mobs run past them, when instead they should run into the middle of the group and tag all targets with an AoE.

[TaleraRistain]

Early Regen makes no difference in encouters with one target, or multiple that are picked on the same moment.

You're the first one I've seen with this opinion. I mentioned this in the healer pet peeve thread because in all the time I've played a healer in this game, it's been very common in trials for the whm to cast Medica II right before the pull and scatter. It was something I learned from those around me. But it was communicated that it was a very bad idea. The irony is that after the feedback I tried *not* doing it in a trial and someone yelled about its absence. But what you describe with a single target is what has been my experience. I gain no additional aggro but I make sure to stay near enough the tank until mechanics dictate moving away that I don't make their job harder having to chase me if I do.

[Kitfox]

You're the first one I've seen with this opinion. I mentioned this in the healer pet peeve thread because in all the time I've played a healer in this game, it's been very common in trials for the whm to cast Medica II right before the pull and scatter.

I wouldn't precast Medica II, usually only the tank takes damage during the first 30 seconds, and it pulls a lot of hate so I would advice against it. Tanks should be able to handle the hate, but it's just pointless overhealing in your bank. I always Divine Seal Regen couple of seconds before the pull though so I'm free to land my first nuke on tank's first hit and freely DPS until mechanics start happening.

[Neophyte]

You're the first one I've seen with this opinion. I mentioned this in the healer pet peeve thread because in all the time I've played a healer in this game, it's been very common in trials for the whm to cast Medica II right before the pull and scatter. It was something I learned from those around me. But it was communicated that it was a very bad idea. The irony is that after the feedback I tried *not* doing it in a trial and someone yelled about its absence. But what you describe with a single target is what has been my experience. I gain no additional aggro but I make sure to stay near enough the tank until mechanics dictate moving away that I don't make their job harder having to chase me if I do.

Regen =/= Medica 2.

Regen: 75 healing potency turned into emnity every 3s. Absolutly no problem.
Medica 2: 8*25 = 200 healing potency turned into emnity every 3s. Might be a problem.

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

Early Regen makes no difference in encouters with one target, or multiple that are picked on the same moment. Tank will be able to handle the small HoT enmity with their initial hate grab..

Actually it does make a difference, it's an inconvenience to the tank and you'll probably find the boss spinning toward the healer, screwing every non ranged's opener, probably cleaving the party. This opinion that it doesn't matter is a novice one. Med2 pre pull is bad, not only because of the unnecessary enmity, but you're putting up an aoe hot on a party that still has stoneskin up...

[Kitfox]

Actually it does make a difference, it's an inconvenience to the tank and you'll probably find the boss spinning toward the healer..

This will not happen, ever. Unless the tank doesn't do anything, or all their gear is broken or they're naked.

Let's take a PLD in Shield Oath using Shield Lob. At i258 mine does around 600 damage. That's 600 * 3 (hate mod) * 2.7 (stance mod) = 4860 enmity. At the same instant, a Regen tick would have to hit for over 9720 to make the boss spin. For reference, my pesky i248 WHM heals roughly 2400 hp per tick with DS+Regen. To be fair, it's probably possible to get a 10k regen tick if you stack every imaginable healing buff there is and get a critical tick, but that would be as silly as precasting Medica II.

I've never seen a regen make a boss spin as a healer, or as a tank. You can call it a novice's opinion, but I just don't see it being mathematically possible under normal circumstances.