Savage Difficulty Alliance Raids and Objective based PvP Battlegrounds

[ruskie]

But 3teams is not fun 8vs8 or 16vs16 would be way better if its without gc restriction. Also while there are PvE objectives the best way to win is in every mode killing ppl you can just ignore objectives.

Actually the best way to win in objective based modes is by doing objectives. Kills only give a few points vs objectives that give a lot(70 points for a small crystal vs a lot of kills to obtain the same).

And you do have 8v8 feast that is without GC restrictions - but true no objectives.

As for the fun of 8v8v8 vs 8v8 arguable. Depends on the level of communication and strats employed etc...

[TiaHariberux3]

Actually the best way to win in objective based modes is by doing objectives. Kills only give a few points vs objectives that give a lot(70 points for a small crystal vs a lot of kills to obtain the same).

And you do have 8v8 feast that is without GC restrictions - but true no objectives.

As for the fun of 8v8v8 vs 8v8 arguable. Depends on the level of communication and strats employed etc...

Nope farming other players are more pts in the long run building up highs/fevers early will give a good advantage. Even in shatter with big ice you can just kill ppl who try to hit ice mind you not only gain dmg and pts from killing you make enemy lose pts too

[MomomiMomi]

Nope farming other players are more pts in the long run building up highs/fevers early will give a good advantage.

An advantage, yes. But if you don't use that advantage to fight to complete objectives, you're going to lose.

[Zojha]

An advantage, yes. But if you don't use that advantage to fight to complete objectives, you're going to lose.

That's not entirely true - you "can" win on kills alone. I've seen that happen a few times, always with a premade at work. It doesn't seem a particularly safe strategy however and I'm pretty sure victories are more coincidental - the main objective seems to be farming the Hand of Mercy title.

As for Savage difficulty alliance fights, I'm just gonna chuckle. It's already quite a challenge to schedule 8 people together for Savage, I don't see 24 happening on any servers other than those with the biggest raiding scene, thus causing a bunch of transfers to those.

[TiaHariberux3]

An advantage, yes. But if you don't use that advantage to fight to complete objectives, you're going to lose.

Nope you can kill and ignore objectives as long as you are dedicated to farm both teams its one of the reasons why premades almost everytime win with moving and killing as a group you wont get sandwich. Dead enemies arent able to do any dmg or play objective. I remember at shatter release ppl complain about it being pve even tho my group won with mostly kills to get their mount.

[MomomiMomi]

Nope you can kill and ignore objectives as long as you are dedicated to farm both teams its one of the reasons why premades almost everytime win with moving and killing as a group you wont get sandwich. Dead enemies arent able to do any dmg or play objective. I remember at shatter release ppl complain about it being pve even tho my group won with mostly kills to get their mount.

Premades win almost every time because they're simply superior at killing and staying alive and PUGs can do much about it. Try that against 2 other premades and you'll lose.

Premades should never be used as an example of normal gameplay unless you're against other premades. Compare PUG vs. PUG and see if they can do the same thing.

[TiaHariberux3]

Premades win almost every time because they're simply superior at killing and staying alive and PUGs can do much about it. Try that against 2 other premades and you'll lose.

Premades should never be used as an example of normal gameplay unless you're against other premades. Compare PUG vs. PUG and see if they can do the same thing.

Hmm idk what that would change if your pugs are superior at killing or if your premade is superior at killing doesnt make a difference if your team is superior at killing you can win without the objectives easily in this game since objectives dont reward u as much as killing. Also even if there is a premade vs premade as soon as you are superior and getting highs/fevers the only thing that can stop your group is a sandwich. The premade vs premade argument doesnt work since the benefit of killing ppl will make the better team unstoppable cause of highs/fevers. "paintrain" is a thing. Most pug matches are decided by the "killing" factor.

[Ultimatecalibur]

No. If you have two or three nearly-equally skilled and organized parties clashing they will inadvertently cause each other to stalemate. Prevent any group from building up to many fevers/highs. As soon as one person gets a high they become a primary target and quickly killed by focus fire.

"Paintrains" only really occur when there is an extreme difference in organization levels i.e. a Premade 6-8 person premade vs 2 pugs and the Premade abuses the 3rd place multiplier for Adrenalin Surges so that they get a larger number of them.

Premades as you should very well know are mostly made up of organized dps and their pocket healer(s) which a nearly impossible for non-organized groups to kill.

Most Pug matches are not determined by kills but by the side that best grabbed objectives. You can see this by the score totals at the end of matches. Often the winning team is not the one with the most points gained from kills but the one with the least points lost to deaths.