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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    It can be done, you just have to stay on top of who is hitting what and throw in a provoke or shield lobe here and there. Sword Oath boosts damage output, so you generate more threat by virtue of that at least.

    If there are AoE DDs in the party, rotate targets to spread the hate generation around.
    Well you're not wrong, I already said it was DOABLE 30-40. its not impossible. However there's a massive difference between PLD emnity and WAR/DRK emnity level 30-40 due to the lack of emnity granted from Shield Oath.
    It's also a little better to dump flashes for AoE. due to RoH combo being, well, on a combo, rotating your combo will only let you really hold onto 3 targets. it's best to flash a few times and then use your combo to focus on the enemies dying quickest/the ones taking the most emnity from the DPS.

    Also, just to clarify to OP or any new PLD that come across this. Sword Oath does an additional 75 potency every auto-attack. its not a % increase in damage. However, that extra potency every ~2sec is extra damage done and thus increases emnity by that extra damage dealt, since damage=emnity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuuen View Post
    That's a fair point. I was gonna point out that DRK's Low Blow always seemed to be available; double checked on Low Blow (started out with DRK as my first ever tank and it's been a WHILE... still ilvl 180), and didn't notice the Additional effect on it has a 30% reset.

    But as you pointed out, best to keep some differences to differentiate between tanking styles of the classes.
    I did not forget low blow, but as you discovered, its only a 30% chance to reset IF you parry. I would hardly call a % of a % to be "reliable". If only low blow reset 100% off a parry and DRK had a parry version of Sheltron, eh? Low Blow is still a little better than Brutal Swing though, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffernuff View Post
    Well you're not wrong, I already said it was DOABLE 30-40. its not impossible. However there's a massive difference between PLD emnity and WAR/DRK emnity level 30-40 due to the lack of emnity granted from Shield Oath.
    It's also a little better to dump flashes for AoE. due to RoH combo being, well, on a combo, rotating your combo will only let you really hold onto 3 targets. it's best to flash a few times and then use your combo to focus on the enemies dying quickest/the ones taking the most emnity from the DPS.

    Also, just to clarify to OP or any new PLD that come across this. Sword Oath does an additional 75 potency every auto-attack. its not a % increase in damage. However, that extra potency every ~2sec is extra damage done and thus increases emnity by that extra damage dealt, since damage=emnity.
    Absolutely, my apologies, I wasn't meaning to contradict you, but unfortunately that's how it sounds when I read my post back to myself. I definitely recognize it's harder than it is for WAR/DRK. That said, I think that the extra effort and thought that get's put in in order to manage aggro in that 30-40 gap for Paladin makes you a better tank. I agree about the role of flash. Flash is a skill that is easy to forget mid-fight, but it's really important. I should probably havd added a line of advice to my earlier post;
    ...and Flash your butt off...
    What you say about watching which enemies are dying fastest and focusing aggro there since you're more likely to lose it there is really good advice.

    I do something similar on Scholar when sprinkling in my DoTs, many times I need to throw a heal at the tank in the middle of setting the DoTs to be spread. So I target one of the mobs which has taken less damage than the one the tank is focusing on, set the DoTs and spread them. If everyone is following the tank's lead, the primary target may die before I can spread the Dots, wasting the time and MP. I think that the awareness to monitor the targets like that came from working hard as a Paladin during the dark times when almost anything could out damage and out aggro a Paladin who was not on top of things - especially without Shield Oath.
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