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  1. #6781
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    VanilleFang's Avatar
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    Estellise Valesti
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 70
    I ran a parser earlier, while running a dungeon on my DRG that I'm leveling.

    Holy crap, I knew SCH can do a lot of damage but damn. Granted it was Halatali NM, and the other DPS was only an Archer but... I don't have a screen shot or anything but I think I did like 32% of the overall damage (excluding LB), while the SCH did like 27%.

    MAR and ARC were like 23% and 16% respectively (ARC was a sprout). But I didn't really care about any of that.

    DRG is boring at that level with just HT - IDx4 - repeat, so I kinda fudged my "rotation" at times causing my overall DPS to be a bit lower than it could have been. I was utterly shocked by the sheer power of the SCH though. Anyone who thinks Healers are weak should really try running with one who knows what they are doing.
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  2. #6782
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    Fluffernuff's Avatar
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    Aethys Aeon
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    I ran a parser earlier, while running a dungeon on my DRG that I'm leveling.

    Holy crap, I knew SCH can do a lot of damage but damn. Granted it was Halatali NM, and the other DPS was only an Archer but... I don't have a screen shot or anything but I think I did like 32% of the overall damage (excluding LB), while the SCH did like 27%.

    MAR and ARC were like 23% and 16% respectively (ARC was a sprout). But I didn't really care about any of that.

    DRG is boring at that level with just HT - IDx4 - repeat, so I kinda fudged my "rotation" at times causing my overall DPS to be a bit lower than it could have been. I was utterly shocked by the sheer power of the SCH though. Anyone who thinks Healers are weak should really try running with one who knows what they are doing.
    To be fair, at that level, SCH is literally an Arcanist with a fairy. and the fairy can and will do 100% of the healing. SCH only loses out on carbuncle damage....which I'm pretty sure is completely overshadowed by the addition of cleric stance. poor carby.
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    Last edited by Fluffernuff; 11-17-2016 at 04:16 PM.

  3. #6783
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    Frowny's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Rai Dolabnha
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hrimfaxi View Post
    I am guessing he knows that and place tanking accessories to hit the minimum requirement to enter the dungeon.
    Yup, he did. Still quite the "wtf" moment.
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  4. #6784
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    SpiritMuse's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Lelane Lavellan
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    As I mentioned earlier, you literally need to do less than 20% of your healing capabilities to keep everyone alive. That's a regen, or a faerie. After that, you just can sit there with a dumb look on your face, or you can DPS. There is literally nothing else to do.
    I dunno, when I heal expert I don't usually have a lot of time to even think about dps cause the tanks hp is yoyoing constantly from all the damage coming in from the 6-10+ mobs they're picking up. A single regen is very much not enough to heal all that. O_o
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  5. #6785
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    Johaandr's Avatar
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    Character
    Bell Jee
    World
    Phantom
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Averax View Post
    Buuut he didnt die!!! Cured him once in a while but he disliked it
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  6. #6786
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Purple Rain
    World
    Sophia
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritMuse View Post
    I dunno, when I heal expert I don't usually have a lot of time to even think about dps cause the tanks hp is yoyoing constantly from all the damage coming in from the 6-10+ mobs they're picking up. A single regen is very much not enough to heal all that. O_o
    A while ago I did a test on how it is to only heal an expert dungeon as WHM. I was active 17% of the whole dungeon (while the rest of my group members were active 72-77% of the dungeon). The only things I actually cast during fights in the whole 21 min Xelpathol were 16 Medica IIs. That's less than 1 cast per minute. Everything else in my healing was instant abilities (Regen x24, Asylum x7, Assize x4, and Tetra x4). I also cast Cure II but only 5 times in the whole dungeon and they all were cast between pulls, not during them. Here's a video of the boss fight on that run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgM...tu.be&t=17m17s.
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  7. #6787
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    The_Shang's Avatar
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    Shan Aurelius
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    A while ago I did a test on how it is to only heal an expert dungeon as WHM. I was active 17% of the whole dungeon (while the rest of my group members were active 72-77% of the dungeon). The only things I actually cast during fights in the whole 21 min Xelpathol were 16 Medica IIs. That's less than 1 cast per minute. Everything else in my healing was instant abilities (Regen x24, Asylum x7, Assize x4, and Tetra x4). I also cast Cure II but only 5 times in the whole dungeon and they all were cast between pulls, not during them. Here's a video of the boss fight on that run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgM...tu.be&t=17m17s.
    One question though:
    Are you doing this with friends or randoms? Because that makes a *huge* difference.
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  8. #6788
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Shang View Post
    One question though:
    Are you doing this with friends or randoms? Because that makes a *huge* difference.
    What difference does it make, exactly? I have never had to not do any DPS in any dungeon party with randoms for as long as I remember. This particular party was with FC members, but the tank had never tanked the dungeon before (and hasn't done any difficult content on WAR, he plays MCH as main), the DRG was also a newbie DRG (hasn't done difficult content on DRG, plays healer), and the BLM was playing his main. I had only done the dungeon once or twice before. I had no communication with the party (as you can see from the video I had chat turned off and wasn't in voice communication) other than telling to the tank to let me know if he's dying while I was doing /icam through some pulls.

    What my video shows is how low the actual healing requirements are for expert. Even with this amount of heals and with this item level tank (not even any prototype Creator or scripture gear) I was overhealing 35.9% while I was basically afk for over 80% of the dungeon.
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  9. #6789
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    Mysterysword's Avatar
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    Siesta Fiesta
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 80
    That moment when the tank is doing a huge pull, you slap down Sacred Soil, and they refuse to step inside it despite having ample opportunity to.

    Yeah, no, it's fine. I blew an Aetherflow stack because the blue circle is pretty. If I say anything more, I'm going to start swearing, so I won't.
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  10. #6790
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    dragonseth07's Avatar
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    Ratithgar Jovasch
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterysword View Post
    That moment when the tank is doing a huge pull, you slap down Sacred Soil, and they refuse to step inside it despite having ample opportunity to.

    Yeah, no, it's fine. I blew an Aetherflow stack because the blue circle is pretty. If I say anything more, I'm going to start swearing, so I won't.
    I will say that it took me a long time to be able to remember what ground effects do what. In some games out there, it's safest to assume everything is fire. :P

    Also, do those still show up if you disable allied spell effects?
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