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  1. #11
    Player
    Genaxx's Avatar
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    Dirty Paws
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    Raiden
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    Bard Lv 90
    Sounds like you need a new sch or perhaps you should direct him to this thread.
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  2. 11-14-2016 11:27 PM

  3. #12
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    WeekendSoja's Avatar
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    Luku Asura
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    He won't be able to deal with A11S and A12S sadly with his current mindset.

    So it seems your raid leader and this guy are assuming that with time, they will get the clear eventually.

    I guess the decision falls in your court now, since you cleared it with a PUG and it's relatively recent with the release of this tier and most average groups are on progression on A11s or a12s...I would say explore your options with another static.

    My WAR has been offering his help in other statics ever since we cleared a12s so I have seen a person run himself dry trying to raid with multiple groups lol.

    If I were you, I'd really consider finding a more cooperative group focused on true progression. Cause it sounds like you want to get things done! And I can respect that lol
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  4. #13
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    Judge_Xero's Avatar
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    Divine Gate
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    Exodus
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Steady View Post
    unfortunately neither HE or my raid leader seems concerned. We are currently on AS10, but folks are dying and we hit enrage short of clearing it... on more than one occassion 5%. I would argue that better shields and scholar dps could help. I cleared it last night with a pug group. It's just incredibly frustrating.
    You aren't wrong. Most SCH of a similar ilvl are doing about 2x more DPS, which would definitely help. Having upgraded gear would help even further.

    Looking at your logs though the issue isn't primarily with your SCH. Unless your entire group is Sub i250, then it may be a good idea to set aside a day to practice roles together.

    It would be nice if your Main Healer offered some DPS as well, since the boss in A10S doesn't hit very hard outside of mechanics and tank busters.
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 11-15-2016 at 12:58 AM.

  5. 11-15-2016 12:32 AM

  6. #14
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    Judge_Xero's Avatar
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    Divine Gate
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    Exodus
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Steady View Post
    Thank you, I appreciate all of your inputs.

    You edited your post, and I agree. I just find people with gear a little more forgivable with their numbers than those that blatantly have no desire in maximizing their effectiveness. I think alot of DPS loss is in part due to deaths, but at the same time, individual dps numbers could improve acrossed the board.
    Oh definitely. If you are just blatantly not looking into half decent gear itemizations (not expecting anyone to go full T5 Pentamelding on Crafted, for first time progression etc) then your actual Raid Effort is probably going to match that mentality for sure.

    An amusing part though is that your SCH's damage matches that gear layout you provided given their accuracy and adjusting for Progression Status. So they are doing about as well as they can given their gear and depending on how they sync with your Main Healer.

    Most of your groups deaths are simply due to failing mechanics and the majority is from taking Double Critical Wrath which no amount of Shielding can help with.

    Your best run with only 2 Deaths, Double Critical Wrath, and a Discharge from stepping into the outside of the arena was still 400 DPS low from passing enrage. There appears to have been minimal DPS loss due to the deaths given your average run of A10S.

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    About my previous post, I had to edit it due to I was looking at if your group was hitting enrage @ 0% which was incorrect as you stated that it was enrage @ 5%. If your SCH was hitting 1k DPS then you for sure would have just squeezed in a clear, but the underlying issue is your entire party DPS for sure.

    Before Raid reset you could have your group do SSS Dummy practices. A great baseline is

    A11S @ i248 with an i255 weapon
    A12S @ i255

    This will let you know where everyone is at and which areas need improvement, because your SCH doing an extra 500 DPS will not make up for the fact that your group is at least 2k DPS from where it should be as average players and about 4.5k DPS from where top players were clearing the first week.
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 11-15-2016 at 02:31 AM.
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  7. 11-15-2016 02:43 AM

  8. #15
    Player Yona87's Avatar
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    Beato Ushiromiya
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 60
    I don't think there is a fix for this kind of problem.
    Might want to find another sch.
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  9. #16
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    Judge_Xero's Avatar
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    Divine Gate
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    Exodus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steady View Post
    The fact that he's not taking it seriously and the raid leaders don't see it as a serious problem just means no one has to get their game up. No one being held accountable means that 5% ain't going to go anywhere.
    I think this highlights the main issue then. Seeing someone's gear makes things pretty obvious so that is probably the reason why the SCH is being targeted. But you can break things down to get a better overall view.

    WHM - Decently Geared. Has over the accuracy cap. Keeps the party alive but provides almost 0 extra DPS. Dies to mechanics. - (70% efficiency)
    SCH - Poor gear. Below Accuracy Cap. Keeps the party alive. Provides decent DPS given gear. Rarely dies to mechanics (80% efficiency) - gear would simply bring this to around 90%
    BRD/BLM - Decent gear. Often dies to mechanics. Low DPS. (60% efficiency)
    NIN - Rarely Dies to mechanics. Ok DPS (80% efficiency)
    DRG - Rarely Dies to mechanics. Decent DPS (90% efficiency)
    Tanks - 75% efficiency combined.

    As a team your group needs to work together with the raid leaders to bring up morale so everyone can get better.
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 11-15-2016 at 06:01 AM.
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  10. 11-15-2016 06:07 AM

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