Returning to FFXIV, torn between BRD, SMN or sticking to my old SCH

[Yeol]

c'mon Yeol... this is just as subjective as your post in the other thread... all DPS got utility skills - you can't differ them to pure dps and support dps - you should differ them in experienced (everybody should use their utility skills somehow) or ignorant (not using them cause of what ever reason)

I'll give you an example... What is worse running with MNK that is not using mantra or giving dragon kick V.S BRD not using any of his songs?
No one will care about the MNK as long as he is dpsing, while everyone will notice if BRD doesn't use his songs.

[Neela]

I'll give you an example... What is worse running with MNK that is not using mantra or giving dragon kick V.S BRD not using any of his songs?
No one will care about the MNK as long as he is dpsing, while everyone will notice if BRD doesn't use his songs.

i don't know how your static goes but we definitly use Mantra on EVERY run... so yeah you lose this argumentation.

[Cherub]

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If there is a MNK then there will always be dragon kick up since it's part of the DPS rotation. They will always use invigorate since it pushes their own DPS. And to be fair, most DPS can't do that much outside of their own DPS anyway besides those 1-2 utility skills and I can tell you right now, none of those are even needed or required in anything outside of savage and even in savage, especially in this tier, healers can just do it all on their own and still DPS most of the time.
First and foremost BRD MCH and NIN are DPS in the first place. You can support all you want, you still have to push your own DPS. You can't just slack off completely because you used Mages ballad. Don't make it sound like you don't have to do proper DPS.

You also seperate support DPS from Pure DPS, yet the only jobs that can actually give TP to others are the very supporter jobs you have listed. But you say pure DPS wont use tp recovery skills, which only the support DPS actually can do. Yea a Monk won't use Goad because it CAN'T. As for invigorate which is just a personal TP recovery, read above. If they starved TP then the fight is long, there is much to AoE or they fucked up and really didn't use or have invigorate in which case it's all on them but this is not considered utility. This is personal and if you don't have or use invigorate you absolutely should learn to because it's a requirement in playing your job properly.
Other than that it sounds to me like you really don't actually know the other jobs that much so you should stop spreading hate and misinformation on them.

[Yhoiryo]

Go SMN ^_^

Fun, engaging and brings out good dps.

[Yeol]

@Cherub
I've never said we should not do proper dps because we fill a dps role after all. Good BRD/MCH will keep high numbers even with MP/TP penalty.
And yes at end game all jobs must use their utilities like you mentioned and they will try to time them depending on the fight whether it was AoE heavy or not.

I don't disagree with what you said but don't frame me with things I did not mention, that is not right.
And I am not spreading hate, I was talking about what you see in general during dungeons and not end game with your static.
During dungeons if NIN did not use goad or BRD not using song you will notice it. That is my point.

@Neela
When did I mention end game? /think

[Neela]

in dngs you doesn't need any kind of utility to get through at all - especially regarding brds you could be happy if anyone plays a requiem on one or another boss, but ballad or tp songs in casual manners? never saw a random brd doing it without directly being asked for it – c'mon... you are just trying to defend yourself in a strange way now...

[Yeol]

@Neela
Believe in what you want, you have miss understood me. That is all what I am going to say ^^

[Llynd]

I understand Yeol's point. We're waiting of the monk to full dps actually. He's not increasing anyone's dps or not much while bard really have a support role ( all his ballads).

And bout' the original post, if you're used to play sch, I'm afraid any of the other job will ask you as much as brain as SCH does. ( objectively, sch is, to me, the hardest job to play optimally in raids, not saying you gotta be a god to play it tho)
But yeah, bard's dps is pretty awesome since the buff ( do not listen peeps saying mch's dps is higher, in fact, when both are in the same party, brd should be above)

Smn is.... Perfect yeah, and very fun ( and very close from sch)

[Vifrague]

lol funny thing as a bard I'm asked to use mantra on ex fights right before huge group damage, bards never sleep.

[ckc22]

I'd go with smn - many people didn't like bard changes, I think mch edges them out at this point in time, and while sch is in a great spot right now... it's already been targeted for the nerf bat in 4.0 - any healer that isn't ast is not something I'd pick right now because SE is all about handing ast anything they want right now.