[Cash Shop Idea] Game Time Token

[Enur]

This isnt "just a thing from wow we want"

Its a possible and realistic solution to the botting problem

[Kosmos992k]

[I]FFXIV Tokens provide players with a convenient, secure way to exchange gil for game time directly through the in-game Market.

Let me just complete your thought here;

...(and now the unsaid portion): a convenient, secure way to exchange $$ for gil through the Mogstation and in-game Market - aka officially sanctioned RMT.

No. Definitely not.

I am categorically opposed to selling any item through the cash shop that can be resold in-game for gil, especially an item that is a 'game time' item.

This idea is explicitly an RMT mechanism since you are allowing players to spend $$ in the cash shop in exchange for gil in game.

Absolutely not.

do you even read?

You are asking for sanctioned RMT. Crysta exist already as non currency options for purchasing game time or optional services such as retainers.

All you are doing with this suggestion of yours is legitimizing RMT.

[alimdia]

um yea no thanks I will just pay my regular sub directly to SE.

You seem confused, this system doesn't replace paying your sub normally, it adds an extra way to play the game, if it was to be implemented you wouldn't be forced to use it.

[AhmeraMae]

I kindly refer you to this thread.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...m-in-FFXIV-ARR

[Dustytome]

I like the idea. It works well for WoW, but they would need to go all out on the botting problem before something like this is implemented. The bots just grind up gil non-stop and it drives up the token price for legit players.

[Kosmos992k]

I've mentioned my support for this every time it's come up.

I still support it.

Of course you do, you have a very healthy bank balance, this would enable you to play for free, so of course you support it.

What if a person is poor in-game and IRL?

In GW2 is pretty much killed bots, it's different because GW2 has no sub, but it allows you to trade real currency for in game cash.

Again i don't see the issue with bots (except them spamming chat), no one is forced to buy from them and people know they can get banned if they buy from Bots.

The most recent RMT action report banned 20,000 accounts for RMT activity - not advertising. It would seem that SE was able to trace things better thanks to all the enhanced reporting of spams and take out a large number of bot accounts. I agree with you, introducing officially sanctioned RMT is a terrible idea. IMHO, it's also not a solution to RMT since it is RMT in and of itself.

[Kosmos992k]

The point of this suggestion is not for benefit of players! Its to kill bots

Easing the finances of some is but a side effect. Not the main goal

The main goal would seem to be exploiting those with large in-game gil balances for personal enrichment of those purchasing the game time items. Sounds like RMT to me. That's against the Terms and conditions, and I'm pretty sure that this whole topic probably breaks similar rules on the forum. What is it people don't get about this being a suggestion to enable straight up RMT activity by players who want to enrich themselves?

[Kosmos992k]

That's kind of the point - right now, the token would only be bought by rich crafters, because the economy is set up to shove gil from the DoW/DoM classes where it is majorly generated to crafters and from there, it trinkles back to Gatherers and to a limited degree DoW/DoM via crafting materials. Crafters are the gil sponges of the game and this token idea serves only one purpose - to allow crafters to not just sit on that money but actually buy something useful to them with it.

You could just give active crafters a permanent subscription discount, same deal. (Well, and increase the average subscription of a non-crafter in the process to cross-subsidize, someone's got to pay after all)

Excellently thought out reply, I agree completely. RMT is RMT, and RMT is prohibited.

Thank you for seeing and acknowledging my concerns and that i dislike it out of principle. I've been trying to get people to see the reasoning behind that. **snip**
We should not address the RMT issue by legalizing it. There is always going to be someone who will abuse the system. This is why i mentioned (on several occasions) that i'm not against gifting game time through the mog station, as long as it cannot be sold for in game currency or bought through it.

I cannot (and never will) agree with any forms of RMT. Truthfully, i also cannot stand it when people condone it for reasons mentioned earlier within this thread. Of course, I've made this known through my posts. This is my honest opinion and i will stand by it.

I agree with you. Unfortunately being principled seems to be very out of fashion these days, while personal enrichment at the expense of others is very much in fashion.

[Lexia]

You seem confused, this system doesn't replace paying your sub normally, it adds an extra way to play the game, if it was to be implemented you wouldn't be forced to use it.

I know that, didn't say I thought we be forced into anything. But back to the thread I pretty much would just be legal RMT, people with lot of expendable money can buy tokens to sell for in game money.

[HPDelron]

I agree with you. Unfortunately being principled seems to be very out of fashion these days, while personal enrichment at the expense of others is very much in fashion.

This is difficult to respond to because it frames things very vaguely. You say "at the expense of others" without saying who exactly is facing this expense, nor what this expense is. I'd like to better understand exactly who you expect to be harmed and how.


Suppose this system did wind up in place, and we have some players:

John: He has lots of gil but wants even more. He buys a token in the cash shop and sells it, gaining even more gil.
Steven: He has little gil, but wants to have some. He buys a token in the cash shop and sells it, gaining his gil.
Derek: He has lots of gil and does not want to pay his sub. He buys a token from the market board and for a lot of gil and uses it for his sub.
Anthony: He has lots of gil and is content with this. He does not wish to participate in the system and does not buy any tokens with gil.
Robert: He has little gil. He does not wish to participate in the system and does not buy any tokens from the cash shop.
Bill: He has little gil, and wants some. He cannot afford a token in the cash shop and so he grinds it out.
Mike: He has little gil, and wants some. He can afford a token in the cash shop but does not like the system and so chooses to grind it out.
Tom: He has lots of gil and wants even more. He can afford a token in the cash shop but does not like the system and so chooses to grind more out.
Frank: He has lots of gil and wants even more. He can't afford a token in the cash shop and so grinds it out.
George: He has little gil and doesn't want to pay his sub. He can't afford a token on the market board and so pays his sub in to SE as he always has anyway.

Which (if any) of these gentlemen is worse off in the token system than the current one? Why are they worse off?