Extensive Feedback: Healing in The Feast (4v4 Solo)

[Koltik]

If it's gotten to the point where the WHM has ample time to chase you around then there isn't enough pressure coming from your team, or any at all depending on how long you as an AST is kiting a WHM. In the situation in which you are kiting a WHM as an AST, AST can still heal while kiting while WHM is left with oGCDs and non-intial healing regen. Kiting a WHM just gives you the advantage. Also, take into consideration AST cards, 5/6 of them are useful in PvP.

Of course there isn't enough pressure, I am Diamond stuck with Gold DPS. Any game where the healer is higher ranked than the DPS will have this problem, so I fail to see your point.

Cards are not hard counters to anything, they are mitigating counters. A knock back is a hard counter (interrupt + LOS), and a sleep is a hard counter (immobility + inability to cast) to the target.

All of this is getting away from the primary issue: WHM has something that is completely imbalanced and not counterable nor available to other healers. A risk-free oGCD knock back to get them out of position for up to 8 seconds, and a sleep to lock them down for up to 14 seconds.

A WHM casting Fluid Aura on a AST or SCH and then sleeping them is the equivalent of an adult slapping a baby. The baby can't contend for themselves, can't retaliate, or do anything to avoid the slap. It is not balanced, and is definitely not acceptable.

[FreeKingStefan]

Of course there isn't enough pressure, I am Diamond stuck with Gold DPS. Once again, I am talking about top-level matches.

So then the argument is not that WHM is too strong, it's that your dps are too weak to appropriately pressure a WHM?

[Koltik]

So then the argument is not that WHM is too strong, it's that your dps are too weak to appropriately pressure a WHM?

The argument is pretty clear. WHM has a hard counter to both AST and SCH, while AST and SCH have absolutely no reasonable counter of any kind to WHM, or the WHM's hard counter (hence why it is a hard counter).

Backing up a bit:

it is meant to open discussion about how the game systems of The Feast drive people away from playing the healer role, and my suggested fixes to make healing (and therefore learning how to heal) a bit less insane.

How is what I am saying any different? Healing as anything but WHM is miserable when you go up against a WHM with half a brain. It is not fun to be knocked around like a ping pong ball, slept, and watching your team die while you cannot do the same to the WHM. Want more healers? Balance the jobs.

[FreeKingStefan]

The argument is pretty clear. WHM has a hard counter to both AST and SCH, while AST and SCH have absolutely no reasonable counter of any kind to WHM, or the WHM's hard counter (hence why it is a hard counter).

You are mistaking "Hard counter" with "Crowd Control". CC is not a "hard counter" to AST and SCH, it's just a strength of WHM which everyone in the game needs to play around.

[Koltik]

You are mistaking "Hard counter" with "Crowd Control". CC is not a "hard counter" to AST and SCH, it's just a strength of WHM which everyone in the game needs to play around.

That's the problem, I should not have to "play around" a healer when that healer does not have to "play around" me. You want to CC me? Play a ranged dps or a tank, or give AST/SCH an equivalent.

[FreeKingStefan]

That's the problem, I should not have to "play around" a healer when that healer does not have to "play around" me. You want to CC me? Play a ranged dps or a tank, or give AST/SCH an equivalent.

WHM -does- need to play around SCH/AST, in that they need to appropriately time their sleeps and wisely use their FA's so that they are not using the GCD on what SHOULD be a heal.

[Koltik]

WHM -does- need to play around SCH/AST, in that they need to appropriately time their sleeps and wisely use their FA's so that they are not using the GCD on what SHOULD be a heal.

Wisely? Please. It's on a 30 second CD, is not on GCD, and is insta cast. There is no wisely. You set healer as focus, make a macro to cast it on your focus, and use it when your team is bursting. It's not hard. There is literally 0 skill involved.

[Nakanishi]

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For one, for the longest time you guys have said SCH is the best healer, why the sudden change? Also, Bole is not the only Card an AST can draw.

The other Healers have stuff WHM doesn't...lol... I could maybe understand if you said Sacred Prism is what makes WHM OP, but even then that has a ton of counter play to it.

[Koltik]

For one, for the longest time you guys have said SCH is the best healer, why the sudden change? Also, Bole is not the only Card an AST can draw.

The other Healers have stuff WHM doesn't...lol... I could maybe understand if you said Sacred Prism is what make's WHM OP, but even then that has a ton of counter to play to it.

Who even said anything about Bole?

What card does AST get that completely shuts enemy healers down for up to 24 seconds?

SCH has more instants to make up for DPS Line of Sighting, to mitigate knockback interference, but all of this does absolutely nothing if they are knocked out of LOS + slept. What's the SCH going to do to the WHM? Blizzard 2 them? Blind them?

What's the Astro going to do? Combust?