This year is not the right time to end the no subscription period in my opinion

[Bahn]

It's a balance thing, imo. This project had to run out of money at some point. If my support now gets 2.0 here faster, so bet it. I want this game to succeed. I'm glad enough I got to take part in a year long beta and keep my progress.

Ungrateful people, these days, I tell you....

You forgot it was a year long beta that you paid into with your $60-$80 USD. That's the issue here. Like I said in my previous post, people shouldn't be paying money for something Square messed up. Sure they ran out of money from the initial boost they had from us buying the game, but they need to learn to suck it up and absorb the losses for development, because what this game essentially is in is a second development phase.

Development costs IMO is supposed to be money SE spent before the game is released; Square is basically asking us to fund their second stage of development while we continue to play the old version of the game with promises of mocked-up screenshots saying that it will get better within a year's time. That's the part I'm wary about.

[Abriael]

Development costs. They already shouldered a full year of development. Asking for more simply lacks any shred of logic.

Development costs IMO is supposed to be money SE spent before the game is released; Square is basically asking us to fund their second stage of development while we continue to play the old version of the game with promises of mocked-up screenshots saying that it will get better within a year's time. That's the part I'm wary about.

Entirely false. They're asking us to pay a subscription fee to play a game that will continuously be updated leading to 2.0 (not the old version of the game, it's not like development is going to suddenly stop from here to 2013. Quite the opposite).

Which is a whole different pair of sleeves. No one holds you at a gunpoint to pay, by the way. Don't want to? The market is full of free to play alternatives. Have fun with those while you wait for this game to be where you want it to be.

[Rokien]

I'll just leave this here

[Darkhaund]

I agree.. this is tooo early!

[Minya]

I agree with OP. :|

[Starlord]

-We played this game for a FULL year for free
-They were creating a Brand new game Behind the scenes ( in which cost ALOT of money)
-Yes we know they failed at launch, can we ge toff that subject now?

Whats more important is here and now, FFXIV was slow with the updates/changes to the game because they had a budget in which they were getting Zero income from . Now, When they are asking for a little support 12 bucks a months when YOU been playing for a year for FREE, and they ask for 8 months of money to make a game that Fits the Final Fantasy name?

This Community is Greedy sometimes :/ SE bent backwards for US, at least lets return the favor...

[Bahn]

Development costs. They already shouldered a full year of development. Asking for more simply lacks any shred of logic.



Entirely false. They're asking us to pay a subscription fee to play a game that will continuously be updated leading to 2.0 (not the old version of the game, it's not like development is going to suddenly stop from here to 2013. Quite the opposite).

Which is a whole different pair of sleeves. No one holds you at a gunpoint to pay, by the way. Don't want to? The market is full of free to play alternatives. Have fun with those while you wait for this game to be where you want it to be.

Right, we will continue to get patches here and there as they slowly develop it towards 2.0, but the problem with this is they're asking us to give them money to fund those patches. With the way you worded your post, you seem to think that I don't want to pay to play an online game. That is entirely false - I'm willing to pay for a game that is complete, such as SWTOR. This game, on the other hand, is far from complete - we should not be shouldering the development costs for a game that is not finished yet, as I've said in my previous post. Square should pay for it themselves as it was their fault for having the game the way it is in the first place.

[Tezz_Xivectro]

I agree. Now isn't the time for full priced charging. They should charge 50% off until 2.0.

[Zell]

You should hold out until about mid-length next year, or even until 2.0, because it will be better for you to be "over the top" than to limp by with what exists right now.

Edit: I've moved Post 3 into this post for ease of reading

Here are several things wrong with it:

You're allowing your remaining player base to go away with feelings of that it was getting there, but "I don't know". Then you have older players who want to check the game out in the future who wont, because they lost the trust in the company. These same people are the ones who talk about how they played FFXIV, how it was awful, and they will keep doing so all the way up to the new launch. Having it free is having a 25,000 person viral marketing base to market the game for Square. How much does it cost you? Just the cost of having the servers up - the same cost it's going to cost you whether or not they're playing.

Once you charge a subscription fee and the majority of the players of this leave the game, a good chunk of them are going to become established to another MMO, whether upcoming or already released. MMO's take a huge chunk of time, and now you've just lost a fraction of these players forever, because FFXIV does not have enough within the game to justify a subscription currently.

You've also set apart a "benchmark" players were looking for in the schedule of this game; the job system. Players were counting on that to show them how the game can change, and now that isn't something players can do without paying a subscription until the relaunch of the game. This is a mistake.


The game will be worth paying for one day, but it's not worth paying for today, and it won't be worth paying for in December. Until then, it is Square's responsibility to earn back the trust of the players, and this action stalls that regain of trust, but it doesn't stop the dissemination of the bad taste left in most FFXIV's ex-players mouths.

Thank you Yoshi-P and the development team for your incredible and stunning revisioning of FFXIV. I hope you succeed in the long run, but I am afraid your company is currently making the wrong choice by requiring a subscription fee before the game has earned it.

I whole heartedly disagree. I was invited to SWTOR Beta... I played for two hours and left to come back to FFXIV. They are apples and oranges. There is nothing like FFXIV on the market other than FFXI in terms of pace and feel.

Let's assume that FFXIV has 50,000 player base. Based on the poll on these forums, 69% of people will pay, 31% won't pay.

That's 34500 players who will remain and pay. That brings SE ~$500000 a month in revenue assuming the $15 a month plan. After one year, when 2.0 comes out, SE will have raised $6 million in revenue. The later they instill a subcription model, the less resources they have to make their vision come to fruition.

It's really simple. Am I having fun the in the game. Is that fun worth $15 dollars? Hell yes!!!! $15 dollars a month for entertainment is nothing. However, if you feel this game isn't worth $15 a month, come back in 2.0. I, for one, will welcome you with open arms and my multiple rank 50s (^^).

[Bearforce]

You should hold out until about mid-length next year, or even until 2.0, because it will be better for you to be "over the top" than to limp by with what exists right now.

Edit: I've moved Post 3 into this post for ease of reading

Here are several things wrong with it:

You're allowing your remaining player base to go away with feelings of that it was getting there, but "I don't know". Then you have older players who want to check the game out in the future who wont, because they lost the trust in the company. These same people are the ones who talk about how they played FFXIV, how it was awful, and they will keep doing so all the way up to the new launch. Having it free is having a 25,000 person viral marketing base to market the game for Square. How much does it cost you? Just the cost of having the servers up - the same cost it's going to cost you whether or not they're playing.

Once you charge a subscription fee and the majority of the players of this leave the game, a good chunk of them are going to become established to another MMO, whether upcoming or already released. MMO's take a huge chunk of time, and now you've just lost a fraction of these players forever, because FFXIV does not have enough within the game to justify a subscription currently.

You've also set apart a "benchmark" players were looking for in the schedule of this game; the job system. Players were counting on that to show them how the game can change, and now that isn't something players can do without paying a subscription until the relaunch of the game. This is a mistake.


The game will be worth paying for one day, but it's not worth paying for today, and it won't be worth paying for in December. Until then, it is Square's responsibility to earn back the trust of the players, and this action stalls that regain of trust, but it doesn't stop the dissemination of the bad taste left in most FFXIV's ex-players mouths.

Thank you Yoshi-P and the development team for your incredible and stunning revisioning of FFXIV. I hope you succeed in the long run, but I am afraid your company is currently making the wrong choice by requiring a subscription fee before the game has earned it.

a bad move by SE. this will seriously tarnish ffxiv image even more. they are actually forcing investor's to invest on a game that only a small minority that pays subs which is a laughable joke.