Why do people beg for cash shop stuff?

[RukiaFae]

Wow choosing not to spend $18 on a digital item that is not even account wide means I'm poor and live in a trash can. Learn something new everyday. Most of us don't care how you spend your money, we care that how you spend your money affects the game. The trend is showing that if you ask for it to be put in the CS then the devs seem to respond to you throwing cash at them. The people who are not throwing money at the cash shop feel like the minority and that their requests to put items in the game are being ignored. That's the major issue here. People are upsettl that their opinions don't seem to matter. People should stop with the name calling and try to see things from both sides. Most of the nice looking glamors are coming through the CS or promotions vs found in the game. While in the game you're getting a lot of reused gear models. It is starting to appear that my monthly sub doesn't carry the same weight as your extra CS purchases.

[AnaviAnael]

Wow choosing not to spend $18 on a digital item that is not even account wide means I'm poor and live in a trash can. (Edit for limit) It is starting to appear that my monthly sub doesn't carry the same weight as your extra CS purchases.

I think that's how most people feel. Why should the devs NOT put the nicer looking glamours in the cash shop when people are willing to buy an item for their main and their five alts?

[cammi]

Where did I insult anyone?! It was you with the petty insult about people being garbage dwellers. I didn't condemn anyone for purchasing anything. All I really said was that we aren't poor because we don't like to buy high priced items.

When you call people lazy for a choice on what they do for their money that is an insult. And To make this clear the insult I made was FAKE. It was posed to be inchangeable with all these " lazy" comments in all these threads. I guess my point - poorly- was made tho. No one likes to be insulted for what they are doing. Which is all I was trying to get across.

[Welsper59]

The people who are not throwing money at the cash shop feel like the minority and that their requests to put items in the game are being ignored. That's the major issue here. People are upsettl that their opinions don't seem to matter.

This is a matter where people are poorly picking their battles to over dramatically be angry about. The majority (i.e. not all) of cash shop equip goods are also reused gear models with some modifications added (or removed), akin to how a lot of in-game models are done. It's just the fact they're gated behind a pay wall that people think the grass is significantly greener on that side, than it is on their own.

Some items stand out, like the moogle mount, but they better for that high price tag. Could they have added it into the game? Sure. Would they though? Probably not, at least not in the same form that it is on the cash shop. It'd likely have the music, dual mount, and flair with the little mogs removed. Even then though, you get an idea of the base concept. It's a remodeled bomb chariot from the Kobold rep vendor.

Folks should voice distaste for the cash shop, that much is probably necessary for as long as it lasts, but they have to understand that most, if not all of that voiced concern is going to fall upon nothing when the concerns don't have much merit to their objective. If their objective is to show the higher ups that FFXIV can sustain greater revenue thanks to low cost practices like the cash shop, so that they can get better headway and gain a better chance at increased encumbered money to budget (as seen with Stormblood), then of course opinions of distaste for the cash shop is going to go nowhere. What do any naysayers have to offer the devs to accomplish this, that the cash shop doesn't already provide many times over? Realistically speaking, practically nothing in today's market.

[Talraen]

Most of us don't care how you spend your money, we care that how you spend your money affects the game. The trend is showing that if you ask for it to be put in the CS then the devs seem to respond to you throwing cash at them. The people who are not throwing money at the cash shop feel like the minority and that their requests to put items in the game are being ignored. That's the major issue here. People are upsettl that their opinions don't seem to matter. People should stop with the name calling and try to see things from both sides. Most of the nice looking glamors are coming through the CS or promotions vs found in the game. While in the game you're getting a lot of reused gear models. It is starting to appear that my monthly sub doesn't carry the same weight as your extra CS purchases.

I think (well, hope) your worries are overinflated here. While we don't know the specific financials, we do know that the next expansion is getting a bigger budget, and people are using the cash shop. That certainly implies that the cash shop is helping the game.

But to your more important point about people feeling ignored, so far I think it's hard to make that case. As far as glamour (i.e., ignoring mounts and minions for the moment), they've historically added specific character outfits and old event glamours. There was also the wedding stuff which of course goes along with the wedding being a cash shop thing. But right now, the far eastern gear is an exception, and one with some justification, given its source.

If the cash shop remains limited to scion gear, old event gear, and special promo gear from other regions, I think everything will be fine. Once they start selling things like NPC gear or the stuff that has up until now been high-level crafted gear, that will be a bad sign. And several people have been asking for that specifically on the cash shop, which I don't agree with personally.

In short, I have no problem with them adding very special stuff to the cash shop, but I don't want to see it become the place where you buy arbitrary glamour. (I'm not too hopeful on that front, to be honest.)

[Kaurie]

I think (well, hope) your worries are overinflated here. While we don't know the specific financials, we do know that the next expansion is getting a bigger budget, and people are using the cash shop. That certainly implies that the cash shop is helping the game.

It may (not certainly) imply that the cash shop is helping the game. You're conflating correlation and causation.

[Talraen]

It may (not certainly) imply that the cash shop is helping the game. You're conflating correlation and causation.

It's not rocket science to think that a system which brings in more money to the game leads to the game having more money. It's by no means proven but it is definitely implied.

To put it another way, correlation doesn't conflict causation, and it's quite logical to conclude that the cash shop has caused the budget for the game to increase. Again, not saying it's certain, but I think "imply" is more than fair in this case.

[SpookyGhost]

It's not rocket science to think that a system which brings in more money to the game leads to the game having more money. It's by no means proven but it is definitely implied.

It would be that simple if XIV was the only game being produced by Square Enix. However, as it stands, that money could be going into any number of projects - not necessarily back into XIV.

[Kaurie]

It's not rocket science to think that a system which brings in more money to the game leads to the game having more money. It's by no means proven but it is definitely implied.

To put it another way, correlation doesn't conflict causation, and it's quite logical to conclude that the cash shop has caused the budget for the game to increase. Again, not saying it's certain, but I think "imply" is more than fair in this case.

Indeed, you can make that assumption, but "we do know that the next expansion is getting a bigger budget, and people are using the cash shop" does not give you that certainty. You're using other information to come to that conclusion. In this case, it "may" and not "certainly" implies it. You could even just say it implies it and remove the word certainly, and it would be more accurate.

I do, however, disagree with the conclusion. I think the higher budget is solely based on the fact that they are putting less money into FFXV development, than they were previously (due to it being near its launch).

[Talraen]

It would be that simple if XIV was the only game being produced by Square Enix. However, as it stands, that money could be going into any number of projects - not necessarily back into XIV.

Yet we know the following:

1.) People use the cash shop
2.) The next expansion has a higher budget than the last one

Aside from not liking the cash shop, do you have any reason to conclude that it hasn't helped the game financially?