Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Malicewolf]

A10. We're at the boss and I'm on discord with some friends while running it. We consist of the 2 tanks and 2 of the DPS. I'm a WAR and my friend is a PLD, so she MT's and I'm OT. During the fight I hear, "Who the hell is standing on the trap button?!"

It was me ._.

Whoops.

[Fluestergras]

It's /statusoff [status] I think :x

Yep, it works Thanks!

[Kaurie]

Eh, some pages ago, somebody in this thread presented a text command to remove status ailments, and I think Frowny uses it to remove Arrows from his DRG. I can't find the command anymore, what was it again?

Why would you remove free DPS? :|

[ZhaneX]

Why would you remove free DPS? :|

Melee DPS can wind up eating through their TP pretty fast as-is. So sometimes Arrow winds up doing more harm than good in the long run.

Anywho, in the latest contribution to "Classes in End-Game", I queued up for A11 recently. Pretty rough run, wiped once or twice, but pulled through in the end. Towards the end of the first wipe though, I couldn't help but take notice that one of the DPS was...a Thaumaturge. In an excessively gaudy glamour at that.

[Kaurie]

Melee DPS can wind up eating through their TP pretty fast as-is. So sometimes Arrow winds up doing more harm than good in the long run.

Anywho, in the latest contribution to "Classes in End-Game", I queued up for A11 recently. Pretty rough run, wiped once or twice, but pulled through in the end. Towards the end of the first wipe though, I couldn't help but take notice that one of the DPS was...a Thaumaturge. In an excessively gaudy glamour at that.

That argument makes little sense though. Arrow doesn't make you eat more TP per damage spent. You'll do the same amount of damage when you barrel out your TP, whether it is 30 seconds or 25 seconds, but one way you do the same damage in 25 seconds vs 30 seconds. All removing it does is make you do less damage per second.

[HyoMinPark]

I tell the BRD to look before they intend to do a mechanic because we could've nearly wiped there, and as far as I know, the Harmachis does no cleaves in Machina form. They tell me "Usually, the DPS does the mechanic and not the tank. I guess I'm sorry you're mad.", I responded to them with "I'm not mad, just amazed someone is so stupid", and it just baffles me how you can tunnel vision so badly in ARF, second boss, of all places.

DPS can tunnel vision anywhere. It happens. And that BRD is actually right in saying usually tanks don't bother to help out with that mechanic. I've never seen one actually make any effort to move, even if a melee already right at the boss is the one bound. I don't really think your response in calling them stupid for just trying to properly do a mechanic (which some people still don't even try to do because they want to BURN BURN BURN THE BOSS), and making an honest mistake, was at all appropriate or even called for.

[cammi]

That argument makes little sense though. Arrow doesn't make you eat more TP per damage spent. You'll do the same amount of damage when you barrel out your TP, whether it is 30 seconds or 25 seconds, but one way you do the same damage in 25 seconds vs 30 seconds. All removing it does is make you do less damage per second.

Could be an arggo thing also. Someone mentioned this is grand detail a few pages back. But it makes sense, I've never done it before but I can see why a DPS would do it in some extreme cases.

[ErdrickLoto]

That argument makes little sense though. Arrow doesn't make you eat more TP per damage spent. You'll do the same amount of damage when you barrel out your TP, whether it is 30 seconds or 25 seconds, but one way you do the same damage in 25 seconds vs 30 seconds. All removing it does is make you do less damage per second.

You get 60 TP back per tick, and the TP refresh tick happens at the same time no matter if you have a 2.5s GCD or a 1.5s GCD. If you're already getting lowish on TP, then getting an Arrow might make you have to wait for your next tick to start hitting stuff again, which is probably more of a DPS loss than clicking off Arrow.

I like going fast, but it has its consequences.

[HyoMinPark]

You get 60 TP back per tick, and the TP refresh tick happens at the same time no matter if you have a 2.5s GCD or a 1.5s GCD. If you're already getting lowish on TP, then getting an Arrow might make you have to wait....I like going fast, but it has its consequences.

You just reminded me of a SephEx clear (my clear, actually) that I was doing with a DRG who revealed they had over 1,000 skill speed because they "like spamming abilities" because "it's fun." I wonder what an enhanced arrow would have done for their poor TP. Since they were already harassing me for TP song before the adds even showed up. :x

[Kaurie]

You get 60 TP back per tick, and the TP refresh tick happens at the same time no matter if you have a 2.5s GCD or a 1.5s GCD. If you're already getting lowish on TP, then getting an Arrow might make you have to wait for your next tick to start hitting stuff again, which is probably more of a DPS loss than clicking off Arrow.

I like going fast, but it has its consequences.

Exactly, you get the same TP back, you don't get it back slower. So you're not sacrificing it. You're just doing less damage in the same time frame for no reason. There is no consequence. Mathematically, you are doing less GCD's in the same time, which means you are doing less damage in the same time. That means you are doing less damage per second, and stuff is taking longer to kill.

Skill speed has less benefit than CRT/DET due to the TP refresh, in that TP refresh limits how much of an increase of a DPS you will see - but it is still an increase. That is why the stat weight is still positive, and not negative, albet less than CRT/DET