Mog Station is overpriced.

[Rhuazie]

I didn't get it because I'm sick of dresses in this game. The clipping issues and the cardboard stiff movement is what got me to put the first eastern dress in the armour to collect dust. (also, for some reason the back of the 1st dress looked kinda...derpy. the front was really adorable though.)

Little bit off topic, but I seriously hope we don't have to go back on this thread every time they add a new piece of glam to mogshop....

[ErikMynhier]

Cool Question

Ok since you asked I'll answer as respectfully as you asked (also not trolling).

My issue with being ok with cash shops is a matter of time, money, and age. Gaming and even mmos have been around for some time. As a product of that a good chunk of gamers are in their 30s and 40s. As such we have jobs, kids, sports for the kids, shopping, and home stuff. I in short have more money then time. Do I run this for this drop? Or that for that glam? I don't have time to do both. But if i can work for one, like my ravana bird, and buy the other, that works.

Also the whole "your lazy you should work for it" argument, respectfully, pisses me off. I did work for it, I didn't sit in a chair and raid for hours, but I helped people bury their loved ones, men women and yes children. I stood in 90 degrees in a black suit to be a shoulder for someone and saw the faces of pure ruin.

I earned my money a bit more then I see a kid earning some imaginary toy only to turn on me and tell me to "earn it". That is what pushes my buttons in these topics. The ego of some stranger telling me that I am somehow fundamentally wrong because I bought myself a statue and emote, or a play dress so my irl wife i play with can feel pretty in game.


I and people like me use to be like you. We were "hardcore" but as you grow you just don't have the time, but that doesn't mean you should be excluded. Casuals outnumber the harder bunch, that's just a hard fact, so it is kind of important we are catered to, our subs keep the lights on, and our cs buys upgraded those lights to florescent. Go raid, go have fun, and kill that savage once for me. But please stop badgering me over what I do with my own money.


With all respect and no malice, that is the honest answer, at least from me to your very good question. If they ever add p2w stuff I'll be there with you. Until then, I'll and others will do what we like and sort of ignore this crusade. Crusades are for the young, I got stuff to do.

[Kaurie]

Why are we suddenly talking about RMT here? Red herring?

I am not sure you understand what a red herring is, "something, especially a clue, that is or is intended to be misleading or distracting."

Real Money Trading (RMT) is the buying and selling of in-game data (items, characters, etc.) in exchange for real life currency. This type of activity is prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Action will be taken against users who have initiated RMT transactions, as well as users who join RMT transactions.

They are breaking their own rules with the cash shop, or this is written poorly.

[Blim]

I am not sure you understand what a red herring is, "something, especially a clue, that is or is intended to be misleading or distracting."

Real Money Trading (RMT) is the buying and selling of in-game data (items, characters, etc.) in exchange for real life currency. This type of activity is prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Action will be taken against users who have initiated RMT transactions, as well as users who join RMT transactions.

They are breaking their own rules with the cash shop, or this is written poorly.

You're grasping at straws here. SE is not a user (player), SE is the provider of the content.

Taken from the actual terms of service:

2.2 Real Money Trading, Farming and Power-Leveling. You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any in-game currency, accounts, characters, in-game services, or in-game virtual items. You may not play the Game for the purpose of acquiring virtual items or advancement in game play on behalf of a third-party or for the purpose of selling any virtual assets to a third party for real-world money, specifically including "gold-farming" and power-leveling services.

This is SE defining what RMT means based on the TOS which is freely available to all.

You (the player) may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any in-game currency, accounts, characters, in-game services, or in-game virtual items. You (the player) may not play the Game for the purpose of acquiring virtual items or advancement in game play on behalf of a third-party or for the purpose of selling any virtual assets to a third party for real-world money, specifically including "gold-farming" and power-leveling services.

At no point in time is SE (the player) or the user. Neither is SE at anytime a third party that you (the player) are playing the game for the purpose of selling virtual assets for real world money.

There are only 2 parties in a direct relationship here. You (the player, user and customer) and SE (content provider and merchant of a service/product) There is no RMT here at all based on your flawed understanding of RMT. A merchant (SE) putting a product on sale to a buyer (player) who is fully aware of what the product is and has the option of buying or not buying the product for a real world currency. There is no third party involved here.

Third party in legal parlance is "A person who is not a party to a lawsuit, agreement, or other transaction but who is usually somehow implicated in it; someone other than the principal parties." In the context of contract law, a third party is one who does not have privity of contract with other persons to a contract."

The contract SE has is with you the player and this third party is somebody who is not part of your contract with SE when you ticked the "Agree"/ "Read the agreement" button. You entered into a 2 party contract with SE when you chose to accept their terms of service- you and SE.

So if SE is putting something on the cash shop, there is no third party involved since what they are offering is a product to you which you can choose to buy or not to buy. There is no RMT involved.

[Atoli]

Real Money Trading (RMT) is the buying and selling of in-game data (items, characters, etc.) in exchange for real life currency. They are breaking their own rules

So in your opinion, they should just give us the game for free.
Because paying for service monthly as well as buying the game in the first place is paying real life currency to SE to get access to ingame data too.
Lol. You are really desperate to prove your point, now ^^;

[Kaurie]

You're grasping at straws here. SE is not a user (player), SE is the provider of the content.

OK well, whatever. I must say it has been a truly displeasure speaking with you. I hope you enjoy your merchandise.

@Square Enix and back on topic, I think I've made my point, but please reduce the prices in your cash shop to a reasonable level (less than that of your free-to-play competitors).

So in your opinion, they should just give us the game for free,
since paying for service monthly as well as buying the game in the first place is paying real life currency to SE to get access to ingame data?
Lol. You are really desperate to prove your point, now ^^;

That's an interesting point of view, and not at all how I would interpret it.

For clarification, I feel no sense of desperation. That would imply that it mattered what the outcome of our debate was. I don't really care if you guys agree with me or not, I was mostly passing time at work, and providing my feedback to Square. I'm home now, so later til tomorrow.

[ErikMynhier]

OK well, whatever. I must say it has been a truly displeasure speaking with you. I hope you enjoy your merchandise.

@Square Enix and back on topic, I think I've made my point, but please reduce the prices in your cash shop to a reasonable level (less than that of your free-to-play competitors).



That's an interesting point of view, and not at all how I would interpret it.

You made no point other then you form poor arguments and when challenged throw out a passive aggressive barb. You really Trumped her.

[Jandor]

The smartest move business ever made was to convince people that asking for a fair deal was the same as being entitled.

To pay, pay and pay again and be convinced that saying "maybe paying a 3rd time is a little much" is whiny.

[Lunafreya]

No, I don't think it is overpriced. I am pretty satisfied with the purchase. Thank you.

Because you like it.... it isn't overpriced to you? I don't understand you. If you bought a 1000 dollar dress would you go around to your friends saying it isn't overpriced because you like it?

[Blood-Aki]

Because you like it.... it isn't overpriced to you? I don't understand you. If you bought a 1000 dollar dress would you go around to your friends saying it isn't overpriced because you like it?

Whales do not consider anything to be to pricey, they can buy a pretty little dress on the mog station for $90 and they see no issues with it. You won't convince them otherwise, You know the old saying, a fool and his money, etc. Just let them be, and at least hope SE puts that easily obtained money to good use. and stop catering to the cash shop as hard.