Do you think they should get rid of EXP bonuses for Palace of the Dead floors 51+

[Blood-Aki]

Yes, useful for leveling classes people know nothing about at all.

You act as if that wasn't already being done since the start of the game, due to FATES.

Removing exp from Palace is the dumbest thing you can do right now. and thankfully they will not cater to such a silly request.

[Callinon]

Not by running 2 minute dungeons that require absolutely zero team coordination or even specific roles.

That's going to be different for everybody because everybody is different.

For instance I've been leveling SMN through PotD. Currently I'm 55.. I started at 50. That means I didn't have access to Dreadwyrm Trance and its associated abilities before PotD. Yet somehow I've managed to figure out how they work and what to do with them. Even in 2 minute dungeon floors that supposedly require no coordination. Btw that's nonsense because half the time I'm also tanking with Titan and if you think THAT doesn't require your team's cooperation you're out of your mind.

[Kasathar]

That's going to be different for everybody because everybody is different.

You shouldn't take that as a personal attack. You might be the exception, still, I see a huge amount of players who have no idea what they are doing.
This same situation happened earlier on when people decided to level the jobs they didn't like through FATE's. But At least through FATE grinding it would take longer to get to higher levels and would actually force people to do their job stories, which, believe or not, are extremely good guides on how to use your key abilities.

[Callinon]

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I don't take it as a personal attack because I know I'm not a bad player. That being said, I see the behavior mentioned here in expert roulettes. I had a tank in a Keeper of the Lake the other day that had literally zero clues. None. No clues at all.

Here's the thing. Players range in skill levels all over the place, and their character level is no indication of that at all. Some people might be good at picking up how to play a job very quickly. Some might never understand with 100 hours of tutorials.

I think this boils down to one simple thing: If you aren't willing to accept random results, don't play with random people. If player performance in a matchmade setting is super important to you, then you need to form your own parties and stop leaving it up to the whims of the duty finder.

[Kaurie]

Not by running 2 minute dungeons that require absolutely zero team coordination or even specific roles.

Instead, they learn by running 20 minute dungeons that require zero team coordination or even attention.

[Kasathar]

I think this boils down to one simple thing: If you aren't willing to accept random results, don't play with random people. If player performance in a matchmade setting is super important to you, then you need to form your own parties and stop leaving it up to the whims of the duty finder.

I feel you are still missing the point. I know what it means to play with random people and sometimes getting the "lemon". The point I am trying to make is that since the introduction of PotD, the concurrence of this kind of scenario has increased three fold (or more).

[Kasathar]

Instead, they learn by running 20 minute dungeons that require zero team coordination or even attention.

You make no sense. Please elaborate.

[MomomiMomi]

You make no sense. Please elaborate.

Translation: dungeons are faceroll content.

[Kaurie]

You make no sense. Please elaborate.

I apologize for the confusion.

I am saying that the average player learned their job by doing leveling dungeons. Leveling dungeons take 20 minutes, require no coordination and are complete'able without paying attention.

I've learned jobs fine on PotD. I may not be an expert, but I can hold my own. I've seen plenty of people who go into expert roulette who are incredibly bad, regardless of the fact that they leveled by traditional methods (I know this, because the trend was the same prior to POTD being added).

[Cherub]

Someone being a dumb shit isn't really tied to the job said person is playing. If they open up silver chests right after a landmine then that's not because they dropped Enochian or Greased Lightning when they shouldn't.

Fate farming was worse tbh. People just AoE or dot different mobs. In PotD you at least do single target rotation. Not to mention you actually have access to higher level skills which gives you time to get familiar with them. Instead of just using 1 skill in FATEs.
Trash will be trash. No matter where they level up from. Faceroll dungeons, faceroll FATE or faceroll PotD. Someone who opens up a silver chest when they shouldn't will still open a silver chest when they shouldn't even on their main job.