Main Scenario Restriction Bloodstorm - Very Very Bad idea.

[Reynhart]

We are playing the same game, right? i challenge you to play as a CNJ from 1 to 30, and let me know what skills/spells you use the most. Let me save you some time, Stone 1, for dps, cure 1 for healing. and the occasional fluid aura if you're tank does not know how to tank.

So you're never raising someone, you don't use Aero to let damage tick while you heal, nor Cleric Stance, nor Esuna, nor Protect, nor Medica ?

That's like saying WoW isn't a heavily story based game given how much lore is behind it.

Lore is very different from story. WoW has a lot of background, sure, but (in its early days, at least) basially no real story.

Every mmorpg has this option except FFXIV and that's not something to be proud of when you're in a competitive market.

On a market where every MMO follows the same rules, doing things differently is exactly something to be proud of, especially if you're successful.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

So you're never raising someone, you don't use Aero to let damage tick while you heal, nor Cleric Stance, nor Esuna, nor Protect, nor Medica ?

Cleric Stance is click and forget, Protect you should only use once at the very beginning of the dungeon, Esuna rarely ever has any use and I scarcely need to use Cure, let alone Medica. Likewise, Aero is okay, but things usually die way too fast for it to matter. You will be using Stone I and Cure almost exclusively throughout Conjurer. Lancer is even worse, wherein you literally do nothing but hit Heavy Thrust then spam Impulse Drive until it drops. If you bothered to level Pugilist, you'll have Internal Release however that hardly breaks up the monotony. Thaumaturge mostly boils down to Fire/Blizzard and Transposing between them. Pugilist probably offers the greatest variety because you actually unlock a full combo early, have a couple buffs and need to consider positionals. Otherwise, no, I didn't learn anything playing the classes I couldn't have easily picked up with less than an hour of play. There is a reason the devs have not only acknowledged their dissatisfaction with classes but are basically phasing them out entirely. Come 4.0 (or perhaps sooner), you won't even need to level them for cross skills.

On a market where every MMO follows the same rules, doing things differently is exactly something to be proud of, especially if you're successful.

Not if you're being different for purely the sake of it. Gating content behind the story isn't some ground breaking accomplishment. It's just forcing people to spam numpad 0/mouse click if they aren't interested in it.

[Avalon1101]

Cleric Stance is click and forget, Protect you should only use once at the very beginning of the dungeon, Esuna rarely ever has any use and I scarcely need to use Cure, let alone Medica.

This is rare to see.
In PvE stance and esuna are being used so frequently; and in Pvp...
Well base on what you say I bet you never healed in feast

[Reynhart]

Cleric Stance is click and forget, Protect you should only use once at the very beginning of the dungeon, Esuna rarely ever has any use and I scarcely need to use Cure, let alone Medica. Likewise, Aero is okay, but things usually die way too fast for it to matter.

Considering it's better to frequently switch in and out of Cleric Stance, I'd hardly call it a "Click and forget". Having recently came back to level WHM, I also wouldn't say Esuna rarely has any use. Is it vital ? No. But you're still supposed to learn how to rely on it before it becomes necessary. That's the point of a learning curve. It's the same for Medica, as it should teach you to judge how to spend your MP efficiently before forcing you to starve when done wrong.

Not if you're being different for purely the sake of it. Gating content behind the story isn't some ground breaking accomplishment. It's just forcing people to spam numpad 0/mouse click if they aren't interested in it.

It's not "for the sake of it" it you have an audience that specifically look for that kind of concept. I've tried several MMOs and none managed to hook me, precisely because they didn't have that feeling a being united in a grand story.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

This is rare to see.
In PvE stance and esuna are being used so frequently; and in Pvp...
Well base on what you say I bet you never healed in feast

What does Feast have to do with low level PvE? I said Cleric Stance is "click and forget" pre-30, which is what the subject is about. I didn't mean you'll never stance dance.

Considering it's better to frequently switch in and out of Cleric Stance, I'd hardly call it a "Click and forget". Having recently came back to level WHM, I also wouldn't say Esuna rarely has any use. Is it vital ? No. But you're still supposed to learn how to rely on it before it becomes necessary. That's the point of a learning curve. It's the same for Medica, as it should teach you to judge how to spend your MP efficiently before forcing you to starve when done wrong.

At later levels, yes. Pre-30, I barely bother stance dancing because the tank just isn't going to take much damage. Perhaps we heal differently, but I'll generally let the tank's HP fall low before I heal. In that time, most packs will have died and I don't even need to heal them. Now if they start pulling more, you'll have to dance, but newer tanks usually won't. You learn how Esuna works by reading its description. I know a lot of us don't hold much optimism for DF, but I'd like to think they can figure that out on their on.

Medica just isn't a thing. I leveled WHM on my alt almost to Praetorium and I honestly can't recall ever using Medica-- certainly not before Stone Vigil. Nonetheless, this isn't difficult to pick up just by reading.

It's not "for the sake of it" it you have an audience that specifically look for that kind of concept. I've tried several MMOs and none managed to hook me, precisely because they didn't have that feeling a being united in a grand story.

And that audience isn't going to be effected. I'm similar, actually. I basically quit the MMO genre for years because the stories bored me. FFXIV's made things interesting and I love it for that. But, if someone else only wants to play for raids. I, frankly, couldn't care less. They'll skip the story regardless. Might as well let Square make money off them.

[Reynhart]

At later levels, yes. Pre-30, I barely bother stance dancing because the tank just isn't going to take much damage. Perhaps we heal differently, but I'll generally let the tank's HP fall low before I heal.

I usually have the tank on focus and turn off Cleric stance around the 50% mark...which can happen fast depending on stuff and size of packs...

In that time, most packs will have died and I don't even need to heal them. Now if they start pulling more, you'll have to dance, but newer tanks usually won't.

You don't run only on newer tanks at low level. And even if you do, pulling only one or two mobs at once is just not using this level range to learn properly.

You learn how Esuna works by reading its description. I know a lot of us don't hold much optimism for DF, but I'd like to think they can figure that out on their on.

Learning how and when to use a skill by reading the toolkit ? If only that was a real thing...

Medica just isn't a thing. I leveled WHM on my alt almost to Praetorium and I honestly can't recall ever using Medica-- certainly not before Stone Vigil. Nonetheless, this isn't difficult to pick up just by reading.

Then you could have done better. Again, that's the purpose of a learning curve. If you wait for Medica to be mandatory to accustom yourself to use it, it's a bit late.

And that audience isn't going to be effected. I'm similar, actually. I basically quit the MMO genre for years because the stories bored me. FFXIV's made things interesting and I love it for that. But, if someone else only wants to play for raids. I, frankly, couldn't care less. They'll skip the story regardless. Might as well let Square make money off them.

Perhaps, but that's not the kind of game FFXIV is. The audience wants a lore and story focused MMO, so FFXIV a lore and story focused MMO. If it throws that away, it loses part of its identity. What will it lose after that ?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Then you could have done better. Again, that's the purpose of a learning curve. If you wait for Medica to be mandatory to accustom yourself to use it, it's a bit late.

I didn't use it because I never needed it. I couldn't "do better" if no one else is taking damage. That said, I still know how Medica works and when to use it. It just didn't come up.

Perhaps, but that's not the kind of game FFXIV is. The audience wants a lore and story focused MMO, so FFXIV a lore and story focused MMO. If it throws that away, it loses part of its identity. What will it lose after that ?

And adding a skip option isn't going to take lore or story away. In fact, you could argue gating less behind story or allowing some form of skipping means they can focus more on the story. Why? Because the devs don't have to account for people who want to speed through everything. But for argument's sake, say I brought a friend over to FF and she skipped the MSQ either by spamming numpad 0 or using a skip item, all because her goal was to play with me. How does that affect you or your enjoyment?

[Reynhart]

I didn't use it because I never needed it. I couldn't "do better" if no one else is taking damage. That said, I still know how Medica works and when to use it. It just didn't come up.

Yes, you could. Even at low levels, some bosses still do AoE better healed my one medica than several Cure. The fact that you know is not proving anything. Maybe you're a quick learner, and could have been thrown in the game with a lvl 50 character right from the start. I personally didn't have any issue with PLD or WAR, despite having them max level before ARR. Yet, SE deemed important to create something like the Novic Hall, which had probably helped lots of new players.

And adding a skip option isn't going to take lore or story away. In fact, you could argue gating less behind story or allowing some form of skipping means they can focus more on the story. Why? Because the devs don't have to account for people who want to speed through everything. But for argument's sake, say I brought a friend over to FF and she skipped the MSQ either by spamming numpad 0 or using a skip item, all because her goal was to play with me. How does that effect you or your enjoyment?

I'd enjoy the game less, because it wouldn't stay true to itself. Here's an example. You play WoW as a Human Paladin. You read/played just about everyhting in the Warcraft universe, and then they release Wrath Of The Lich King, with the Nightelf Death Knight...in theory, you should be like "WTF, Nightelves can't be Death Knight, they're protected from the scourge !". After that, you have Cataclysm with the Nightelf Mage..."That's bullshit, Nightelves can't be mages ! The Elves mages are the High elves, thus the Blood Elves !"...in all that, you still play a Human Paladin, so it doesn't change the game for your character. You wouldn't be (haven't been if you played WoW) bothered by that ?

Or else, if they decide "Fuck the lore, let's bring this character back from the dead without any explanation !" wouldn't it bother you ?

[Avalon1101]

What does Feast have to do with low level PvE? I said Cleric Stance is "click and forget" pre-30, which is what the subject is about. I didn't mean you'll never stance dance.

Just looked what you said in last page again, you didn't say pre30 first
The only thing you mentioned was replying someone like basic skills are kind of useless in your fight

[Gemina]

Cleric Stance is click and forget, Protect you should only use once at the very beginning of the dungeon, Esuna rarely ever has any use and I scarcely need to use Cure, let alone Medica. Likewise, Aero is okay, but things usually die way too fast for it to matter.

You're basically saying don't bother using DoTs, and after a Qarn and Cutter's Cry run tonight with synced players, this is anything but the truth. Expect a min of 30 minutes to get to the final boss in each of these dungeons without any DoTs. Both are quite long, and the mobs don't die as fast as you think they do. You will most likely need two Protect casts if you want it for the final boss fight.

As for Esuna/Leeches most mobs in this game have some sort of detrimental status effect they can inflict on you, and if you're healing through it, you are at the very least using up one extra gcd opposed to just casting your cleanse skill to do so. Keep that in mind.[/quote]

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You will be using Stone I and Cure almost exclusively throughout Conjurer.

Of course you will. And isn't that awesome? That skills you learn from day one are still used in endgame?

Lancer is even worse, wherein you literally do nothing but hit Heavy Thrust then spam Impulse Drive until it drops. If you bothered to level Pugilist, you'll have Internal Release however that hardly breaks up the monotony. Thaumaturge mostly boils down to Fire/Blizzard and Transposing between them. Pugilist probably offers the greatest variety because you actually unlock a full combo early, have a couple buffs and need to consider positionals. Otherwise, no, I didn't learn anything playing the classes I couldn't have easily picked up with less than an hour of play. There is a reason the devs have not only acknowledged their dissatisfaction with classes but are basically phasing them out entirely. Come 4.0 (or perhaps sooner), you won't even need to level them for cross skills.

What is so ironic about this statement right here is how you say you didn't learn anything.

Gating content behind the story isn't some ground breaking accomplishment. It's just forcing people to spam numpad 0/mouse click if they aren't interested in it.

Actually, it kind of is. The rewards for finishing ARR and HW really aren't anything to scoff at. If the players aren't interested, they are playing the wrong mmo. The MSQ is amazing, and even several of the side quests as well. Not to mention class and job quests. Particularly the level 30 and 50 ones. Some of them have even brought tears to my eyes. Be happy I'm not running the show, because if I was I would give better rewards to vets for running with new players at their average iLv.