Just how different are the 13 jobs with regard to secondary stats?

[ADVSS]

If you know how to not over heal/use/do pre caster for heals you don't need Piety

that also means you plan on never running into a bad sloppy dodgeless party, or are planning on every run going smoothly , theres nothing wrong with mp padding to make your job more comfortable. The crit/det debate for whm is years old, same concept as you said its pointless to overheal if avoidable

[Lulu89]

that also means you plan on never running into a bad sloppy dodgeless party, or are planning on every run going smoothly , theres nothing wrong with mp padding to make your job more comfortable. The crit/det debate for whm is years old, same concept as you said its pointless to overheal if avoidable

Ya but i only have 14000 mp.. and dont add any Pity, no point 1-2k more wont make a big diff.Im 100% comfortable with 13/14k Mp it rare as fuck that i run out in a dungen. and even when soloing endgame i get low a few time.. but only run out on learning party till they get it down.

I still say Dete/SpS is the better for whm, sure SpS is lower stat wehgit then crit, but ill take better hot over higher crit/rng over heals
It the one job you dont need to pack crit on too or pity

[LunarEmerald]

In most cases, secondary stats are useless.

Totally wrong. In most cases: 5 critical hit rate = 1 str/int/dex

In Black Mage's case: 3 spell speed = 1 int. Black mages that stack spell speed have a significant advantage over those that don't.

[ruskie]

SkillSpeed does not scale with the MCH's turret (which is 15% or more of their DPS).
It is by far the worst stat for them. It does less for them than practically any other class.

Bard on the other hand. Skillspeed yes please!

[Lufir]

Totally wrong. In most cases: 5 critical hit rate = 1 str/int/dex

In Black Mage's case: 3 spell speed = 1 int. Black mages that stack spell speed have a significant advantage over those that don't.

Uhh no. Crit relies too much on rng to make your statement true.

[CosmicKirby]

Uhh no. Crit relies too much on rng to make your statement true.

Law of Large Numbers balances this out very well. With how many instances you roll for crits in the average Raid or Boss fight, it evens out the RNG significantly.

[Lufir]

Law of Large Numbers balances this out very well. With how many instances you roll for crits in the average Raid or Boss fight, it evens out the RNG significantly.

But the increase from materia stacking alone is hard to make this a large number worth a difference. People don't realize this i guess. Gear alone is all you ever need to make a difference in this game, since there are stat caps on notable gear with your desired secondary.

[LunarEmerald]

But the increase from materia stacking alone is hard to make this a large number worth a difference. People don't realize this i guess. Gear alone is all you ever need to make a difference in this game, since there are stat caps on notable gear with your desired secondary.

Stat weights are calculated by absurd amounts of testing. You make it seem like it's just theorized damage, which it is not.

The power of secondaries has been proven numerous times in the past with world first clears. Groups were able to bypass gear checks.

No matter what you believe, you are gimping yourself somewhat by thinking secondary stats are not important. If you don't bother to meld any of your gear then you're missing a decent chunk of dps.

[Lufir]

Stat weights are calculated by absurd amounts of testing. You make it seem like it's just theorized damage, which it is not.

The power of secondaries has been proven numerous times in the past with world first clears. Groups were able to bypass gear checks.

No matter what you believe, you are gimping yourself somewhat by thinking secondary stats are not important. If you don't bother to meld any of your gear then you're missing a decent chunk of dps.

Hence my phrasing in most cases. If you aren't doing savage. the difference is miniscule. Sorry.

[Taika]

I still say Dete/SpS is the better for whm, sure SpS is lower stat wehgit then crit, but ill take better hot over higher crit/rng over heals
It the one job you dont need to pack crit on too or pity

You are wrong. Crit is by far the best stat for all healer jobs (Crit also increases your HoTs and DoTs the most). Please see the testing done and its results from this Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...mulas_and_more