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    Violyre's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicKirby View Post
    If people actually leave the game because some people could skip story quests, they are the most vain kind of chumps that I wouldn't miss for an instant.

    Comparing the situation of 'skipping' to WoW's level boosting. I've honestly noticed no difference in the quality of players in WoW because of it. I've only boosted characters with the two 'free' boosts you got when buying Xpacs, I don't use them, but they have helped bring in two friends who otherwise wouldn't have touched the game. I've tried to sell those same two friends on FF14, but they don't want to sit through 52-4 levels of story before finally getting to 3.0 and playing as the classes they actually want to play as.
    Every addition or subtraction has a chance to lose people. While many people may only claim they will quit at any stupid change, there are still people who stay true to their word. I am one of the people who quit and refuse to touch WoW because of that level boost.

    Am I vain? Possibly, Carly Simon did write a song about me. Now that a much-needed joke happened, let me play devil's advocate against myself.

    WoW had a decent excuse to add their skip. They were getting ready to launch their sixth expansion (I'm discounting any that were given out prior to the addition on cash shop, though I'd like to add the earliest ones didn't come with the training hall.). Despite the fact that they already did have a major trim with Cataclysm, they still had a big chunk of exp to get through to get new players up with their friends.

    Were there alternative ways? Yes. They could've significantly boosted exp from quests, while lowering total exp to level. They always did for expansions anyways, so why not just go insane on it?

    FFXIV is going into its second expansion. As it is now, if you do your daily roulettes and MSQ, it's very easy to get to 60 before hitting Heavensward. I did that with an alt I made post-HW. And you get enough gil that you can buy the white colored gear closest to 60 easily. I struggled through Heavensward at release. My alt finished quite quickly.

    Right now is honestly way too early to add a way to skip.

    Now, let's switch to another topic: the cash shop.

    When FFXIV added this, there was a huge uproar in the community. People considered the initial mount and minions as P2W. You still see dissidents of that addition today.

    Should I also note that this opens up a new avenue for RMT? They're not afraid to invest some money already. Now you've given them a pass to new places so they can screw the prices of new stuff like newer mats. Until SE puts in an effective method of eliminating illegal RMT, I'm against the idea. WoW at least added a method to legalize it.

    You can already skip cutscenes, which speeds things up. WoW didn't do cutscenes often.

    Can the story use some trimming? Yes. Why do I have to help a paranoid ex-Garlean kill bugs and tigers? Why not lower the amount of items needed collecting and merge quests? Have him make you kill two swarms to lower the buzzing, and gather two tiger hides to help him make up for lost time? Why do we have to keep pointlessly going back to the Waking Sands when we're wearing a perfectly good linkpearl? Why is melding part of the storyline?

    I think I lost my train of thought somewhere. My major point is that there are ways to do this without a skip potion, people are idiots, and blah blah blah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violyre View Post
    FFXIV is going into its second expansion. As it is now, if you do your daily roulettes and MSQ, it's very easy to get to 60 before hitting Heavensward. I did that with an alt I made post-HW. And you get enough gil that you can buy the white colored gear closest to 60 easily. I struggled through Heavensward at release. My alt finished quite quickly.

    Right now is honestly way too early to add a way to skip.

    Now, let's switch to another topic: the cash shop.

    When FFXIV added this, there was a huge uproar in the community. People considered the initial mount and minions as P2W. You still see dissidents of that addition today.
    People who dislike the grind to Heavensward or Bloodstorm aren't concerned over leveling. Plenty of these types would have that done within a few days. It's the MSQ itself they find tedious because you can't veer away from it. You must progress through the entirety to unlock the expansion(s). Your example of WoW isn't accounting that is precisely why they went ahead with a skip option. If FFXIV were open ended right from say, level 20 or even level 50, people wouldn't complain. In fact, you'll notice very little complaints regarding glamour being only unlocked at 50. Why? It's annoying, but you just have to grind then talk to an NPC and bam, glamour away to your hearts content.

    Now is it too early to consider a skip option like this? I'd say that is certainly up for debate. Seeing I don't play WoW, I cannot directly compare where their content bloat became enough of an issue. The concern on FFXIV's side is just how much story there is to access content. You really cannot do anything except story, lest you be gated off. For those thrilled at the possibility of playing Red Mage. The frustration of having to play through two full games just to then level the job they actually want may burn them out.

    Another reason to consider is how frequent do we see or even tell people "the game gets so much better at 50?" Unfortunately, classes are not well designed. Impulse Drive and Stone I spam come to mind. FFXIV, at least in my opinion, shows off arguably its worst qualities at the early portions of the game. Some are more than happy to deal with it or even enjoy it. I, personally, didn't mind the baby leveling. Others aren't. Frankly, I think you could make just ARR skippable but still require Heavensward and plenty would be okay with it because of the aforementioned reason. If there were a way to skip the patch cycles, that too would help alleviate the grind.

    As for the cash shop. You admitted yourself, people still vehemently complain yet grudgingly accept its existence. A potion skip would be similar. The few who did quit as a result of its inclusion would be replaced by those who purchased said potion. Most would just continue playing regardless though.

    Should I also note that this opens up a new avenue for RMT? They're not afraid to invest some money already. Now you've given them a pass to new places so they can screw the prices of new stuff like newer mats. Until SE puts in an effective method of eliminating illegal RMT, I'm against the idea. WoW at least added a method to legalize it.
    Actually, a skip potion would be a direct hit to their profit margin. RMTs typically charge upwards of $200 to level you from 1 to 60. Square introducing a skip potion for $35-50 means its more cost efficient to buy from Square than RMTs. Plus, you aren't risking your account. RMTs also aren't going to spent $50 for a hundred bots to reach Stormblood because that works out to being thousands of dollars without a guarantee they'll make back that profit.

    And none of this accounts for what restrictions a skip potion would have. WoW implemented a "Proving Grounds" that forces players to do certain amount of content in the same sense we have Hall of Novice. Except in their case, you had to dungeons and whatnot. Bots have a much harder time getting through decent leveled content because, for one, said content will murder you if you don't play properly. People are also more likely to notice their antics and kick them.

    Can the story use some trimming? Yes. Why do I have to help a paranoid ex-Garlean kill bugs and tigers? Why not lower the amount of items needed collecting and merge quests? Have him make you kill two swarms to lower the buzzing, and gather two tiger hides to help him make up for lost time? Why do we have to keep pointlessly going back to the Waking Sands when we're wearing a perfectly good linkpearl? Why is melding part of the storyline?
    Yes, however not without cost. Any trimming of old content requires script rewrites and new animations to keep the story cohesive. Imagine if 2.1 to 2.3 were merged into 20 quests. Despite the multitude of filler, there is still lore tidbits and three Primal fights they now have to rework into a third of the quest requirements. All of this extra cost would be subtracted from Stormblood's budget. In essence, the devs are tweaking content none of us will ever see unless we level an alt. If that cost is minimal, then perhaps it's worth exploring. If it isn't. Well, I don't want them spending money on stuff I won't even see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    People who dislike the grind to Heavensward or Bloodstorm aren't concerned over leveling. Plenty of these types would have that done within a few days. It's the MSQ itself they find tedious because you can't veer away from it. You must progress through the entirety to unlock the expansion(s).
    Here's what I don't get though. The MSQs are an extremely fast and painless way to level your first job. The people wanting to rush to endgame would do so very effectively by simply rushing through the MSQs and skipping cutscenes if they wish to. Whether you like the story or simply want to rush to endgame the MSQ is still the best route for your first job with no armoury bonus. Having the option to skip the MSQ would result in these players taking much longer to reach endgame and thus defeating the entire reason they wanted to skip the MSQ. It makes no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
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    You'll easily outpace the story in terms of leveling nowadays. I had multiple crafts at 60 and Monk at 55 before I even unlocked Heavensward. And I didn't have the benefits of Hall of Novice or PotD to boost those EXP gains. While painless in a sense, it's still faster to spam PotD and fates than the MSQ because you can stay in one area and just grind. A skip potion would probably put someone at the lowest level that expansion allows too. The Chinese version put you at 50 since Heavensward quests require it.
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