PSA: Heal people when you raise someone

[Keramory]

Well, despite YOU failing at the mechanics and dying, I'd gladly raise you. I need you to smack things for me. However in the time it takes covering up your failure, I have to make sure my number one minion, the tank, doesn't die because you forced me to shift my focus. So excuse me if it took a little time cleaning up your mess, I had other...and frankly more important priorities.

[Ninster]

Welcome to the healer forums. =/

If I had to guess, OP was addressing a subset of healers that don't lurk here, and has instead stirred up the healers that already know this and have their priorities in order. So my advice: If you want heals, don't die. If you die, as others have pointed out, make the best out of your 60 seconds of Raise status to accept at time when healers have things in control. And, worst come to worst, pop potions/Second Wind.

[GeekMatt]

Welcome to the healer forums. =/

If I had to guess, OP was addressing a subset of healers that don't lurk here, and has instead stirred up the healers that already know this and have their priorities in order. So my advice: If you want heals, don't die. If you die, as others have pointed out, make the best out of your 60 seconds of Raise status to accept at time when healers have things in control. And, worst come to worst, pop potions/Second Wind.

I think this point has been made, but this is a place where many new and inexperienced healers come looking for answers, and his following comments were encouraging the idea that it's always on the healer if you Rez and the person dies after not getting healed—so much so that he feels justified in calling them out. In addition to which he offered misinformation, again putting all responsibility on healers.

[UnaLihzeh]

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Yup, that. ^^ In my first comment I figured he was talking about some specific instance where the healer didn't notice, or something, but the following comments about what the responsibilities of a healer are were ridiculous, and needed correction for if anyone new came to read. There is no reason that the timing of a raise accept should be on the healer when the person accepting has a full minute window where they can't do anything else but watch the fight to accept it at the right time. The concept is so ridiculous it's hilarious. Do I need to make sure to have the time to type out instructions in the chatbox for you so you know when to accept since you have such a huge timeframe for it? No, as a healer I do not have to memorize mechanics for you. I'm not going to chastise anyone for messing up and dying again, because hey, we're human and not everyone has the game memorized. But no, it is not MY fault you clicked accept after 3 seconds instead of waiting anywhere from 10-50 seconds, and as a result died again.

[Ninster]

After rereading the thread, I see where that discussion started and I agree it's the responsibility of whoever needs raising to come back to the fight at a sensible time. I recall during a rough A12 run where the tank had died to a General's Might and it then proceeded to smash my face in as well. The party had finished it off thankfully, and raises went out to both me and the tank. Of course I knew Divine Judgment was coming up so I waited until it was just fired to accept, so I'd be good to go before Alexander Prime came back.

[necroon]

I detested DPSing for a while: I remember the first time someone told me to do it and how utterly disgusted I was. Now I like to squeeze as much out as I can. I'd be sad if they moved DPS away from being a part of playing a Healer via removing Cleric Stance.

[mp-please]

I detested DPSing for a while: I remember the first time someone told me to do it and how utterly disgusted I was. Now I like to squeeze as much out as I can. I'd be sad if they moved DPS away from being a part of playing a Healer via removing Cleric Stance.

wrong thread fam.

[Auxilio]

Well, I'm not sure what context does the OP have, but while I CAN understand his PoV, I am pretty sure EVERY healer out there knows to do this.

But, the question is whether or not the healer knows how to access the situation of whether a tank buster / heavy aoe is incoming, vs what CDs they have available, etc etc.. in which case, I feel just raging at them not healing isn't the way to handle it. It's unfortunate that this isn't stated in Novice hall, but hey.. you can't expect them to spoonfeed every..single..possible..situation that goes on out there. That's why people say "practice makes perfect".

And of course there's the other point of accepting the raise at the correct time. This is slightly more straightforward and less forgivable since EVERYONE should know mechanics regardless of role, and knowing mechanics means KNOWING when is a safe, or safe-ish time to get up.

I know, OP did mention this is about the person getting up and being unhealed for a good 15-20secs, so I'm just generally speaking here. Us healers know what's going on on our side, DPS/Tanks just need to go beyond their bubble and understand the possible challenges too, or throw that salt away.

[Vaala]

My only tidbit to this is that I put much more weight on when I can afford the MP and CastTime/Swiftcast CD to actually perform the raise and much much less on when you should actually be getting up

[HPDelron]

Welcome to the healer forums. =/

If I had to guess, OP was addressing a subset of healers that don't lurk here, and has instead stirred up the healers that already know this and have their priorities in order. So my advice: If you want heals, don't die. If you die, as others have pointed out, make the best out of your 60 seconds of Raise status to accept at time when healers have things in control. And, worst come to worst, pop potions/Second Wind.

It's worth noting that a dead player doesn't have to accept the res "when healers have things under control" if you don't throw out the res at a time when you don't have things under control in the first place.

The last time you want to be spending a cooldown and thousands of mana on res is when you're running at full blast in wipe-prevention mode. The timing on throwing out a res is just as important if not more so than the timing on accepting it.

You have no way of knowing with confidence what the person you're throwing a res at has available. They may have already blown self-heals to prevent a death previous to the one that got them, or in unsuccessful attempt to stave off the death that did. While there are exceptions generally speaking you should only throw a res when either
A) You know things are safe and they won't/can't fall victim to AoE damage.
B) You are ready and able to stabilize them when they get back up.

Otherwise you're just investing time and mp into potentially playing a game of whack-a-mole.