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  1. #171
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    Irie's Avatar
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    Irie Gwynbleidd
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    Lich
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    Archer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by TarynH View Post
    Because there are better ways to resolve the issues, rather than selling a jumping potion. It sets a bad precedent.
    Like what?
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  2. #172
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    kaptainpancake69's Avatar
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    Tossed Salad
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    Cerberus
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    Rogue Lv 60
    One of the key differences is that FFXIV doesn't have alts, all classes are on one character. Other MMOs are forced to let you get a free boost to max level because people can be playing 3-4 classes/charaters at the same time.
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  3. #173
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    Reynhart's Avatar
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    Rogue was also a class that started at lvl 1. It was also part of ARR, so there were no new zones (essentially they added a new base class, rather than an expansion job). If you ever played through the DRK questline, the plot is very dependent on your previous actions as the WoL, which is a freedom allowed by restriction, whereas if you started at say lvl 30, the advanced job would simply treat you as an adventurer. This extra freedom is worth it if all you need to do is finish 2.0 (which is not hard).
    Frankly, this has no big impact on the actual questline. From level 1, you're already an adventurer whom everyone asks all sorts of tasks. And if we keep the lvl 30 requirement starting point, by that time, you've already slain Ifrit and enlisted into one of three grand compagnies, so you're not just any adventurer.
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  4. #174
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    Astral145's Avatar
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    Astral Flame
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Here is my 2 cents.... Levels 1 - 48 ARR story needs to be slimmed down a lot. Level 50 Story quests needs to be slim down to a hand full of quests with all the fetch quest removed. There is no reason that we have to go from point A to B back to A, then to C, back to A, then to D, back to B, then to E, back to A... then swing by the coffee shop to pick up a cup of joe foran NPC located in E then get there and the NPC say's "where is the sugar" then have to travel to D to get the sugar then back to E to only be told the NPC needs a spoon to stir the coffee..... have of the Main story quest in FFXIV is pointless and is only filler bs.

    Now Heavensward should be left out of the equation all together except there should be a simple pick up quest to learn the the full story of Heavensward... Just a quick 30 min video of all the big details... Once completed you move on to the 4.0 expansion..... If new to the game or even an older player that dropped sub pre Heavensward you should not have to be forced to pay for heavensward to only speed through it so you can move on to 4.0...

    Just saying if they want new or old players to to finish the HW's main story quest then they should give Heavensward away for free if you buy the new expansion.
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  5. #175
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    Reynhart's Avatar
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Astral145 View Post
    If new to the game or even an older player that dropped sub pre Heavensward you should not have to be forced to pay for heavensward to only speed through it so you can move on to 4.0...

    Just saying if they want new or old players to to finish the HW's main story quest then they should give Heavensward away for free if you buy the new expansion.
    Again, why would new players skip so much content ? It's new to them, they have things to learn or discover, they have XP and quests to do in these zones.

    And I suppose they should also offer ARR for free then ? This is getting ridiculous.
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  6. #176
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    Felis's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    The main story doesn't teach you anything about combat, you can kill all MSQ monsters by just spamming 1.
    Nobody spam just 1 against Shiva (an enemy in the 2.0 MSQ) or Niddhog (3.0 MSQ enemy)

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltyblast View Post
    I get it: this game is all about story (then why 1.0 failed?)
    - cumbersome UI
    - need an PC over average to run it
    - no endgame (after reaching lv 50 you started the next class to have something to do)
    - Leves (8 every 36 hours) and Behest (evey 30 minutes) the only way to level up
    - Only a handfull MSQ quests (every 3-5 levels only 1 quest) and no sidequests
    - worse market (a room full with retainers and no search system, good luck to find what you want)
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    Last edited by Felis; 10-17-2016 at 07:27 PM.

  7. #177
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    The_Shang's Avatar
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    Shan Aurelius
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 70
    In a game where the story is important, allowing people to skip is detrimental to the experience. As others have said, if you don't like the story, this is not the MMO you should be playing. WoW is right around the corner for no-nonsense raiding and the like.

    One more point that I agree with is that it promotes ignorance. People who are allowed to skip segments have no idea what's going on, effectively losing immersion in a game that has it as a major selling point. Not to mention the leveling/understanding of jobs/classes. Instant leveling in a job does not equate to being skilled or even knowledgable about the job's mechanics and playstyle, and definitely does not give you instant knowledge of dungeon/raid mechanics, which will infuriate the players who actually worked toward getting to the same point. This will also lead to an even more dumbed-down difficulty level (that said, we need harder content, the game is really easy as it is) for future content, because you can be sure as hell that the 'skippers' will be the vocal majority when it comes to complaining about content difficulty.

    I really don't want this game to change just because of the immense stupidity that will ensue if a skipping feature is implemented. I run into that enough already when I'm forced to pug people for Duty Finder whenever one of the people of my regular party isn't on when I run roulettes.
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    Last edited by The_Shang; 10-17-2016 at 06:58 PM. Reason: f'ing character limit

  8. #178
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    Shiki_Lockhart's Avatar
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    Shiki Lockhart
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    Ragnarok
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    For the OP:

    Is a FF game where is story driven, deal with it. Anyway, If you have friends that want to play with you or to go to your FC why don't they get the game now and start doing the story and etc to be ready for expansion? Why they must only buy it and start playing when expansion come?

    That's bs to me, if they really want to play the expansion then prepare yourself and get ready for it then start now and get it done with some jobs at 60.

    Even I got some friend is getting interested and I just told him to get the game now than at expansion or his mind would blow with so much to do at once.
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  9. #179
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    Riardon's Avatar
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    Leowald Chestwood
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    Twintania
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Nowadays seems people want to log in and have max gear and max lvl from first log in. And then what? This is an MMORPG which is story driven. Some things if not everything is related to lore and story progression. You can't just skip thigs just because. There must be an X reason to go here or there. Can't new areas just pop in out of thin air and players go there without a reasn which is explained by the story. If you are not used to it by now then this game is simply not for you. If this game have some good against other MMORPGs is its story and lore. We can't just skip everything just because some people want everything on a plate.
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  10. #180
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    Sophia Miyuki
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    Spriggan
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    White Mage Lv 90
    First i had a negative feedback regarding the idea with the skip content, but since then i tried to look at various angles which it sums up like this :it gives error.
    About the old reasoning with the df, we have now players that give that much interest anyways, usually i don't even bother to comment only say in shortest way possible to avoid this and that or better to jump off the platform in order not to waste the healer mana. This after I really tried to be nice and try to help, but help is not always wanted so why even bother.
    Yes, it would ok to cut or to sum it up somehow than to just let them skip it together, but the dungeons /trials shouldn't be removed, for that I can give + , but for a potion or a way to skip all of it, no.Call me old fashion , but i like to start and discover the story of a game, not jump right into raiding without knowing 0 of the lore, how i got so far, did i want to make that choice or not.
    My 2 cents on this matter as it has been discussed more than once and the Op reasons I find them shallow to be honest .
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    Last edited by cougarel; 10-17-2016 at 07:26 PM. Reason: thinking in progress
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