Riot Blade: One Simple Adjustment

[Cabalabob]

One major problem you're overlooking. Riot blade is used to restore mp so we can flash more at low level. We get sword oath before we get shield oath and before either we have no stance at all. This adjustment would mean low level gladiators and paladins threat management would die until level 40.

[ADVSS]

One major problem you're overlooking. Riot blade is used to restore mp so we can flash more at low level. We get sword oath before we get shield oath and before either we have no stance at all. This adjustment would mean low level gladiators and paladins threat management would die until level 40.

This is very true...maybe we'll put it as a trait after shield oath is aquired? You are right. Quite honestly sword oath may add up over time but i feel like for a dps stance its sort of...underwhelming, numbers asside. It doesnt really feel that impactful as a "stance" I should say, Good point though, mayhaps we find another way to alleviate tp issues then

[Reynhart]

This is very true...maybe we'll put it as a trait after shield oath is aquired? You are right.

Or...you know...we could actually learn our tank stance at the same level as WAR and DRK ?

[ADVSS]

Or...you know...we could actually learn our tank stance at the same level as WAR and DRK ?

Im hoping they rearrange some pre 50 skills so they make a lot more sense, very good point! That would probably be the best solution to simplifying the stance without adding more unnecessary skills in 4.0, if they would take things to that route.

[PrincessNuri]

But, you don't understand, using any of this...is a DPS loss... (Well, except Goad)

On that note, I wonder when we'll see MCH and BRD officially refusing to do this because "I'm not screwing my own DPS to help you keep yours"...

It is already like that. One time a bard and ninja to restored me without asking them and at a crucial moment. I almost fainted from the shock, needless to say my friends and I commended them.

[DaulBan]

One major problem you're overlooking. Riot blade is used to restore mp so we can flash more at low level. We get sword oath before we get shield oath and before either we have no stance at all. This adjustment would mean low level gladiators and paladins threat management would die until level 40.

This is probably the more legitimate counter-argument than 'it makes TP support useless'. Flash is integral to that low level threat work and losing the RB MP refresh would be a fair loss.

As for whether or not it'd make TP management less useful... Well, if the Paladin drops to 0 TP 2 minutes before everyone else (fight-dependent of course) then having it draw out a bit longer to sync up with other players needing TP seems a bit more efficient. And they wouldn't need to rely on getting fed Goads by the NIN all the time, since they could just ride the TP train with every other Physical damage-dealer. Especially nice if you don't have a NIN in your party.

[Februs]

One major problem you're overlooking. Riot blade is used to restore mp so we can flash more at low level. We get sword oath before we get shield oath and before either we have no stance at all. This adjustment would mean low level gladiators and paladins threat management would die until level 40.

Threat management is already dead below level 40 just by the nature of getting Sword Oath first. Having Riot Blade regen Tp while in Sword Oath won't change that. I know what you mean about Mp management, but Pld's can always just drop stance if they want that Mp regen back (kinda like how Drk works). If anything, having Pld work this way would teach low level Tanks the value of managing stances earlier than Extreme level Trials.

Either way, enmity wouldn't really be effected. It's garbage below level 40, and it will stay garbage unless SE swaps Sword Oath with Shield at lvl 30.

Tp management skills (such as Goad), are also a non-issue here. We're not talking about a huge dip in utility, because those moves already offer little to no utility as things are now. Out of the tanks, Pld is the only one that ever runs dry on Tp. That's 1/3 tanks who ever saw any use out of those Tp regen skills, and it's by far the least popular tank in the game. If you have a War or a Drk, then Tp regen utilities get sidelined anyway. The same can be said for Dps, as well. Most of the jobs in the game already have adequate resources to manage their Tp without external help, so that help is more often redundant than useful.

Quite frankly, given the way this game's jobs are organized, Tp regen should be redundant. Outside of pre-made or static parties, there's no guarantee that you'll have a Nin, Mch, or Brd in your party; so, why should ANY job in this game be dependent on skills from other jobs that they might not ever see? No one should have to get shot in the leg just to make a single move in someone else's kit feel useful. That's just bad design, no matter how you look at it.

[Knahli]

If you're flooring MP on Flash spam just to try and hold aggro then I really think that losing Riot Blade's MP Regen is the least of your issues personally. In any case, there's always the hope that they'd swap around the stances in the order that you obtain them at least.

[Jukebox12]

you should not be losing tp as a pld. why are people so complaining about tp as Pld yeah a 3 min fight without no breaks but that won't 100% happen. you have other tools have getting tp by dps and its better for them to use it then riot blade Tp but i mean come on don't be lazy. Ninja as goad brd/mch as tp

[ADVSS]

you should not be losing tp as a pld. why are people so complaining about tp as Pld yeah a 3 min fight without no breaks but that won't 100% happen. you have other tools have getting tp by dps and its better for them to use it then riot blade Tp but i mean come on don't be lazy. Ninja as goad brd/mch as tp

post 50 pld eats alot of tp for some reason, probably due to skill speed tuning, but it is there way more so than when you were just spamming roh, now that you got goring dot to upkeep