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  1. #31
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    StrategistShiroe's Avatar
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    Shiroe Shigane
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Personally I'm hoping 4.0 brings back proshell for WHM. Yeah we aren't meant to offer as much utility but it'd give us a solid offset when comparing who brings what again. Or an aoe Esuna. Hell I'd trade my SS1 trait and even Esuna's current 20% no mp chance for one sine they want to simplify things.
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  2. #32
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    FoxyAreku's Avatar
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I think as long as white mage has the mind buff and it's the only one that does, it will be ok, as that is essentially a permanent balance card on itself and the scholar. If they add in a 4th healer that has the mind buff though, white mage will probably need something extra.
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  3. #33
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    DreamWeaver's Avatar
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    Lucidia Dreamweaver
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Give me Reverse and we're good Yoship.
    100 Potency Asylum DoT?
    700 Potency Burst Tetra?
    150 Potency Regen DoT?
    300 Potency Medica AoE?

    I'll subscribe to this game forever if I can heal things to death.
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    Last edited by DreamWeaver; 10-14-2016 at 06:56 PM.

  4. #34
    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Flower Girl
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    Zodiark
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    Care to elaborate? I really want to have an actual discussion on this.
    What makes WHm so amazing in the competition of healers currently? How do you feel about them offering no support in a support heavy role.

    I know this topic on WHM is done to death and you're all probably sick and tired of it, but I really want to get the general opinion on the state of WHM right now, and if it's the right path they're taking with the healer.
    Can it really survive offering only one aspect of the healing role?
    Haven't read all posts in here but for me honestly the white mage is the only "true" main-healer cls, Ast & Sch are great for offheal cause of their support-skilltoolkit and are fun to play for sure – but whm on the other hand either got the most powerful raw healing skills and the most powerful burst-dmg (their ss+ skill doesn't reduce pot like asts lightspeed, what grand you a huge amount of stone-burst) of all healers + he's the "HoT-Shit"-god - if you stack your hot's/buffs you come up with ticks around 3-4k and a satisfying smile down to Eos or Diu.

    so imo they should either go with more advanced reg-skills or even reraise and reflection to bring whm back on track for most of the community. anyway it's a classy job-cls, traditional and still effective so i doubt whm is going to fall apart at all...

    for me whm in comparison to ast/sch is not about to negate dmg but to compensate it... thats the difference and for this the whms toolkit is way ahead – but thats just my opinion.
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    Last edited by Neela; 10-14-2016 at 08:47 PM.

  5. #35
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    mp-please's Avatar
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    Danielle Leclair
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    Leviathan
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post
    Haven't read all posts in here but for me honestly the white mage is the only "true" mt-healer cls
    On WHM+AST compositions, WHM is the off healer.
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  6. #36
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    CookieMonsta's Avatar
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    Shirayuki Kova
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    Let's say that 4.0 has just hit.

    What do you expect SE to do with WHM to keep them relevant in a role that's offering increasingly better support skills?
    The devil is in the fight tuning. WHM excels in fights where the HPS check is fast and intense, however, for balance, if they tune so that Diurnal AST can also do well, then you will have blunted WHM's biggest advantage.
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  7. #37
    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Flower Girl
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by mp-please View Post
    On WHM+AST compositions, WHM is the off healer.
    discussable ;3
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  8. #38
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    Danielle Leclair
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    Leviathan
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post
    discussable ;3
    No, not at all. WHM currently heals too much mainly with a noct ast on the party puking out 150/170% shields so the WHM is better to leave most of the healing to the AST covering higher damage phases with medica II and cure III bursts and dpsing during the rest of the fight since PoM promotes dpsing while lightspeed promotes healing. Plus the dps toolkit of WHM is also a LOT more mp friendly than the healing one.

    Though yea WHM can indeed main heal with a AST on party but it's a lot of wasted potential.
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    Last edited by mp-please; 10-14-2016 at 09:46 PM.

  9. #39
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    Celef's Avatar
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    Aranie Crowley
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 81
    IMHO AST and SCH are class that are pretty hard to master cause it requires a heavy knowledge of the fights to mitigate propely .
    In oposition, WHM, is a powerfull and easy healer to work with considering all the CD we have to save the day so yeah, I think he will remain very used by players either learning to heal who would probably end up with one of the 2 others if they are looking for challenge or lazy like me
    (I personnaly use only one hand with WHM and go SCH when i want some challenge ^^)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    C'était en fait SE qui survolait Ishgard sur une liasse de billets

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

  10. #40
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    Anova's Avatar
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    Character
    Deneb Algiedi
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    Knowing the fights and healing proactively with mitigation is very powerful for a healer, but WHM also benefit from knowing the fights by starting their casts proactively. This basically means a good WHM will time their heals to go off right after a big hit, so the tank's HP is out of danger as soon as possible. It isn't as MP efficient as SCH or AST, but considering WHM have a huge MP saving proc on their cures, it's not a huge problem. If anything, WHM's MP regen has been outpaced by the buffs to AST's luminous aether and Ewer; which is why WHM feels much weaker.

    I think if WHM gains some additional MP recovery abilities, they will be perfectly functional. Their healing output and area damage has never been underpowered. And it's only been the recent patch where their MP regen falls behind compared to AST (SCH has always been the most MP efficient).
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