Raid finder vs duty finder

[Moomba33]

Before raid finder it would have taken 3 months for Sophia Ex to be available in DF. Before Raid Finder there was no less-than-8-ppl queuing for any current ex or savage content.
Also on EU datacenters it's quite more common to use PF still. And it's an MMORPG which makes most things easier when done with friends/acquaintances. Queing as a single role makes your que times dependant on ammount and role composition of every other random queuing player.

The only things which got farmed in DF quite frequently were Ravana&Bismark (after being overgeared by 40-100 ilvls; soonest 3+ months after being released), maybe Thordan (earliest again 3+ months after release).
Sephiroth and Niddhog (even 3 months after release) were pretty uncommon and I heavily doubt that raid finder doubled the time towards duty finder.

Nidhogg was never available in DF for less than 8 people queuing so we can't compare.
As a DPS I had about half hour queues for Sepirot and successfully cleared it.
I have yet to have a pop for either in RF.

Que times for sophia ex on JP servers average 5 mins or less with duty completed selected. Around 7 mins for incomplete. And this is during the daytime of a weekday when people should be at work.

There are a lot of people using RF over here and RF has been great; Sophia is the first HW ex primal I've done, since forming a group with other english players is incredibly difficult thanks to our low numbers and different availability's, being spread out across multiple servers, and there's no chance of you getting into a JP party finder group without speaking the language. And yes, of course I play on a JP data centre being from Aus.

Sophia works because it's new and lots of people are queuing for for it.
The problem is the older ex trials which have fewer people queueing and the Raid Finder splitting up those that are interested.

[bounddreamer]

If Sophia is the new ex primal and everyone is doing it, then im missing something cause i spent the entire day today trying to run Sophia in the raid finder and guess what, it was a 30+ minute wait every time. This is horrible.

What role are you queuing? I have upwards of 50 clears though raid finder. Solo or partied with a few people, my queue is nearly instant. I queue on tank.

[albertopin]

Ppl you are missing the point, rf is efective with newer content.
Bcz everyone are at the same spot.
Ppl saying that rf with soph ex is great are Just using it for 1 content.
From like 8 avaliable, i bet those queue times multuply if you do thex or seph ex.
Ive never waited more than 30 min to get HW content now im waiting more than am hour!

[Fenella]

Feel like I am just repeating the majority of people but figure having more people say it cant hurt

Raid finder for Sophia is awesome. I've gotten a lot of queues, and wins with raid finder. Farmed almost all the weapons.

For older content Raid Finder DOES NOT WORK.

Previously me and my group (usually 3 of us) used to queue for Thordan & Seph and just do whichever queued first. The queue times weren't great, not a lot of people farming but they happened about every 15 minutes. These parties contained new people and experienced people. Wins were not guaranteed but we helped many people get their clears. Typically about a 60-75% clear rate, which we were happy with.

Now there are no queues at all because
1) We cannot queue for multiple things (so half the people might queue for one and the other half the other)
2) You divided the playerbase into those who have beat and those who haven't, decreasing the amount of people available to fill a duty. For harder/new content I know why this is a good thing. But I liked helping people, and I knew queuing in the DF I would get new people. Even people who had no idea... but at least getting in with new people is better than never getting to even try.

Please just keep raid finder to the newest or 2 newest primals.

[albertopin]

What a dont understand is how SE doesnt react on numbers. I supose they track the how many times content is played.
The must know that numbers have dropped, is that they dont care?
Older content in raid finder isnt helping anyone.

[Maero]

Never tried raid finder yet, can you just do it solo, as in cannot use it if with a friend?
I have not been able to try Sophia EX yet. All pf groups are farming or must know to a certain point.
And if have to wait until SE adds it to df, it usually is obsolete by then ....

[BelraugFire]

I would think SE would have tracking system that tracks the amount of traffic flow for each primal server, but it sounds like they dont care or dont have it at the moment. It seems to me that the reason they moved all these primals into the raid finder is to satisfy the player base on the japanese servers without considering the EU or NA servers at all. Im on Gilgamesh, a very high traffic NA server and i can say even when nidhogg came out you could get a run for Thor ex in 10-15 minutes at most, but now your lucky if you see the que fill up after hours of waiting, same for Sephirot or nidhogg. Its completely dead as far as i can see. SE needs to return all older ex back to duty finder. I bet you the traffic flow for them will go back up.

[Taika]

Never tried raid finder yet, can you just do it solo, as in cannot use it if with a friend?

You can queue alone or with a friend (or many friends). You can queue for practice phase 1, practice last phase or aim for clear. Other than that, it's not really different from Duty Finder. But the queues on my data center at least are really awful (even when queueing with 2 healers).

[Ilan]

What a dont understand is how SE doesnt react on numbers. I supose they track the how many times content is played.
The must know that numbers have dropped, is that they dont care?
Older content in raid finder isnt helping anyone.

If people don't que up for older primals then sophia you wouldn't get entry in DF either. It doesn't matter if it is in RF or DF, as long as people que up for it. And there is still the option of using the PF what most people do with the level 50 primals anyway.

[albertopin]

Its not as simple as that, Rf has certain rules, duty finder doesnt.
First by separating non completion with completion. Just by that if 8 ppl queue for a trial where 4 ppl have completed and 4 ppl dont. they will never form a party on rf but in df they'll do.
Escalate that to party composition( ranged dps melee dps) and practice vs completion.
You split the matching in more than 5 pieces. While in df is just one big group, even the algorithm allows múltiple choices.

I also want to say that in jp servers situation is different. Most player base queue in an range of 2 hour (GMt system) while en na/eu geographically are ranges of 5 or 6 hours that damages grouping.