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  1. #11
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    Alistaire's Avatar
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    Sargatanas
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    Blue Mage Lv 60
    Reminds me of the point in 2.x you could solo heal garuda ex but it was highly recommended to do it with a conjurer so they could contribute more dps so you'd kill it before needing to deal with the adds+spiny.

    Also about how at one point Yoshi had said he eventually wanted all classes to branch to 2 jobs like arcanist.
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  2. #12
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    Cinno Lerem
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    Lamia
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemius View Post
    I imagine at some point all of the 2.x stuff will be revamped like Cataclysm did with WoW.
    At this point, I feel like you're giving this dev team too much credit.

    Not that I have anything against this dev team, i love the work they've done, but THIS is just too much work for their small team. It'll gradually become more and more of a cluttered mess of workarounds, which will continue to get more messy, as long as the game lasts.
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  3. #13
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    Talia Rai
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    Diabolos
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Cinno View Post
    At this point, I feel like you're giving this dev team too much credit.

    Not that I have anything against this dev team, i love the work they've done, but THIS is just too much work for their small team. It'll gradually become more and more of a cluttered mess of workarounds, which will continue to get more messy, as long as the game lasts.
    I should say I HOPE they rework things. I'll keep playing until the game goes dark but I feel for new people in the future if they don't eventually clean stuff up. I can only imagine if things remain the same that by 5.0 new folks will be completely overwhelmed with all the UI bloat and irrelevant game systems (lol elemental resistances).
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  4. #14
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    Eisen Gramul
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    Hyperion
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    Blacksmith Lv 90
    Job crystals are something of an artifact from 1.x.
    Back when we only had classes. Originally they where planning to expand the system so classes would be single player focused while Jobs would be multiplayer, but the idea ended up being abandoned. It's why the 3 latest jobs don't have classes at all.
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  5. #15
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    Blufnix Greedalox
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    Diabolos
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    Job crystals are something of an artifact from 1.x.
    Back when we only had classes. Originally they where planning to expand the system so classes would be single player focused while Jobs would be multiplayer, but the idea ended up being abandoned. It's why the 3 latest jobs don't have classes at all.
    I think while the actual task of removing them at this point wouldn't be monumental in grandeur, the true difficulty would be not having public outcry for whatever arbitrary reason against its removal would be (Probably a time spent or something.)
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  6. #16
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    Eisen Gramul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greedalox View Post
    I think while the actual task of removing them at this point wouldn't be monumental in grandeur, the true difficulty would be not having public outcry for whatever arbitrary reason against its removal would be (Probably a time spent or something.)
    Well, that and in game lore, quests and cut scenes needing to be totally reworked. Especially for Arcanists.
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  7. #17
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    Yoku Dekimashita
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Class system needs to be removed or redone. it's honestly a mess right now.
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  8. #18
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cinno View Post
    Sadly they wont ever do this again... Yoshi has stated that doing it to arcanist was a mistake that they would fix if they could..

    it essentially boils down to him not liking the fact that Summoner has so many support spells (raise, pysick) and Scholor has so many offensive spells (they have most of the DoT's that summoner has.) Cause you know.. god forbid any classes in this game be versatile.
    I know they've said they won't do it... And if it's for those reasons, I do wonder why he wants to limit Jobs to a very small role, it doesn't exactly hurt the game to have some variation from just being pure DPS, Healer or Tank...
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  9. #19
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    Ratithgar Jovasch
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    Sargatanas
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    I know they've said they won't do it... And if it's for those reasons, I do wonder why he wants to limit Jobs to a very small role, it doesn't exactly hurt the game to have some variation from just being pure DPS, Healer or Tank...
    It's so that things like the Duty Finder work effectively. Characters within a role need to be interchangeable enough that you can't get screwed with the class combo you get.
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  10. #20
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Mugiawara View Post
    Class system needs to be removed or redone. it's honestly a mess right now.
    Class System need more freedom in the cross class skills (like it was before the job system).
    And Job system need a nerf.

    How the original plan to the job system was:
    In practice, players will find the existing classes effective when playing solo or in certain party setups. Jobs, however, will shine in party situations where specific skill sets are demanded. Now, you didn’t hear this from me, but there are also rumors circulating that quests for obtaining job-exclusive equipment are also in the pipes.
    We at the development team are currently hard at work on the job system, and expect to have details to share with you soon.
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...print?p=138995
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    Last edited by Felis; 10-09-2016 at 06:58 AM.

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