Drk tanking without Darkside.

[Martin_Arcainess]

I've seen it only a handful of times since I mostly tank Dungeons anyway. Sometimes they just forget.

[Kanitezz]

Im bad at mp management as a dark knight. If my mp gets to around 5% ill turn off darkside and use mp regen cds and skills. But in pulls my priority is keeping hate, not making them die faster.

[Sweetgrass]

Turning off darkside between pulls is smart, hitting mobs without it isn't. Free DPS increase, and managing your MP is part of the class, without the safety net of Aetherflow or Transpose.

[Wavaryen]

At the end of the day, as long as things got done. Who cares?

The way I see it. If you use DF you lose all reasons to complain about other players and how they play be right or wrong.

[Launched]

At the end of the day, as long as things got done. Who cares?

Everyone should care. Why do people think it's acceptable to put no effort into the game? There isn't even a hard job in it. Do you think tanks that don't pop cooldowns are alright, or BLMs that only use ice spells, or DRGs that only use the Full Thrust combo, or healers that spam Medica II/Aspected Helios?

The way I see it, if you're going to queue for something with 3/7/23 other people, have some consideration and actually put effort in.

[Awful]

Every Dark Knight should be using Darkside no matter what there's no excuse 15% more dmg/threat is crucial as a tank and as for your CDs/Offensive abilities. Without Darkside at lvl 60 you lose:

-Dark Mind plus it's DA variant
-Dark Passenger + DA
-Dark Dance + DA
-Dark Arts itself (no DA + SE or Abyssal Drain + DA for AoE)

That's a ton of unused potential, also if you're choosing Drk for your main tanking class while you're lvling they start off with their tank stance at 30 with Darkside meaning that you can Unleash, Threat combo, drop Grit and pop Blood Weapon if you're really running out of mana. The mobs don't hit hard at all it's basically like healing a Pld in a lvl 30 dungeon Drk really shines in the lower lvls compared to the other 2 tanks and MP management really isn't that hard.

At the end of the day, as long as things got done. Who cares?

The way I see it. If you use DF you lose all reasons to complain about other players and how they play be right or wrong.

I care especially if i'm a healer or DPS and on top of that i'm a Drk main it's pure laziness yes you can hold threat, yes you can tank, but it's wrong it's not utilizing the class that's built around that mechanic. It's like a pld not using an oath, a Sch not using a fairy, just because you have the option not you shouldn't mean that you ignore such a vital toolkit of your class.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Something I try to explain to these DRKs is that the MP drain of Dark Side is sooooo small.
You can leave it on, and ONLY use powerslash combo, and still have a large chunk of MP by the end of a long boss fight. (at least half ur MP or more)

What is draining your MP is spamming AoEs or Dark Arts, not Dark Side.
(turning it off between pulls, or when bosses go immune, or teleport really far away is fine though)

Next thing I tell these DRKs is unless your under geared, there's no reason to use ur enmity combo, u can maintain ur threat the whole fight with just delirium combo (dont even use soul eater, and ull hold hate still) (Though its ok to use 1-2 powerslash combos if you feel u need a safety net)

This prevents u from ever running out of MP.

(Similar on PLD and WAR when u have ur 3rd hit DPS combos. Heck I pretty much spam/cycle Path on all mobs as WAR to lower their dmg to me, the lowest threat option, and I hold perfect threat. Except on bosses, or 2 or less enemies, i put up eye as well)

But to be fair, when Im using duty finder, and I get 1 too many groups who have ticked me off, I purposely only use grit, dont use CDs, and I equip/spam FLASH on AoE, and powerslash only on bosses.
(Surprisingly this is the ONLY way i ever get commendations in Duty Finder dungeons... I guess ppl dont like Dark Side, Unleash, or CDs.)

[Wavaryen]

Not one person has a right to complain about others in a DF. You picked to use a system design for all skill levels, you picked the game to make a group for you. They have a right to play how they want, lazy or not. You did not make that group. You don't have a say on how they play. The people who complain about others in DF need to get over it.

[Sarcatica]

Not one person has a right to complain about others in a DF. You picked to use a system design for all skill levels, you picked the game to make a group for you. They have a right to play how they want, lazy or not. You did not make that group. You don't have a say on how they play. The people who complain about others in DF need to get over it.

This is primarily why the JP servers are so much better. They are generally at least competent enough to not drag the whole team down because he/she doesn't want to make an effort. It's not about the will, it's about basic courtesy. People have the right to do whatever they want but I will votekick the guy because you are either knowingly or unknowingly wasting other people's time. That's just rude.

By how people sound, it's like they are saying as long as people can clear, they don't care. The closer look into that, you are most likely getting carried. It's as bad as tanks not using defensive CDs or dps not using offensive CDs properly for entirety of the runs. As long as tank is not dead by the end right? As long as the dps is doing some dmg even though 800dps is still really bad? What about people not doing aoe on big mobs? Come on, get real. You are ruining other people's experience by ruling what's ideal to yourself.

[ADVSS]

still think bloodweapon shouldnt be locked out of grit, you have it in sastasha, all of a sudden you get a skill 20 levels later that prevents you from using it. Dont believe any other job works like this, usually its the other way around where you get skills that are only usable with new stance of buff up. But yeah DS before a pull, cut if off it mp is low after mobs die, cut it on before next pull, etc.
Unnecessary, but you can still use ethers/elixers and whatnot to restore mp with darkside on.