Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Kanitezz]

When me or my fellow tank initiate a ready check, why can't you let us know you're ready by hitting the ok that pops up on your screen instead of pulling the boss yourself. Im looking at you... Scholar...

[Lokier]

For shaaaame on that BLM then. My BLM has a small knack for stealing aggro, but if the tank asked me to lower my dps or at least control myself I'd comply, lmao. If their struggle is real you gotta help out.

Or if they're just simply shit at their job you might as well decrease the chances of their stupid ass getting you killed. :P

[Bebekurenai]

Disagree. So because the tank is new and can't do his job, we have to ask the BLM to stop doing his job too? No. Everyone should be responsible for playing to the fullness of their ability all the time. If we're speaking STRICTLY here, the tank deserved the kick, he was the weak link.

HOWEVER, the ideal way to deal with the situation is to try to help the tank improve his level of competency through some small discussion if it's warranted. That way the new tank gets the opportunity to learn how to deal with the challenge of having high AOE dps in the party, which he will be dealing with for the rest of the game. No sense excusing him now, he'll HAVE to learn it eventually or he'll never get past Brayflox's Longstop.

No, don't stop doing your job, but by going apeshit right at pulls you're not quiet letting the tank do his right? Also, I'm all for performing to our best no matter which situation, but I'm also for giving the new tanks a chance to actually get the basics first before going all out and giving them a taste of what good aoe dps is later on >_> especially when they ask for it. You'd have to be a douche if you really gonna ignore someone's request (which is reasonable enough) and just go with your way of doing things. And really, kicking the tank because of being a weak link?? I am speechless.

[KaitlanKela]

To be fair, holding aggro is rough there because you dont have your tank stance.

PLD doesn't get their "tank stance" until level 40. So it's okay for hate to be all over the place until then?

I don't main tank, but I have played it (DRK 60, WAR 55) and I will tell you that it is entirely possible and not even that hard to keep hate on a group of mobs in Sastasha with no tank stance yet. It requires spam use of your AOE hate skill, followed by rotating your 1 > 2 hate combo through the group. That's it. Not that hard to explain, which is what SHOULD have been done.

Again, BLM doing his job to the best of his ability, tank is not. Who should be kicked (IF you're going to kick someone which really isn't necessary either way)?

ETA: Also, is nobody going to respond to the second half of my post, the proper way to handle it when NOBODY gets kick and rather we just help to new tank learn to do his job? No, we should just cater to him because it's not like there's BLMs pulling aggro all the way up to level 60 content? Give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish...

[Lunaxia]

Ah, GMs are so delightful.

I am now the proud owner of a warning on my account, due to a lovely Brayflox run I had yesterday wherein I was placed with a lancer who not only lacked a soulstone, but ignored adds on bosses (both DPS did), leading to us getting killed, flailed around the mobs not even using combos correctly, and when I asked him about this, the response was "you're a troll" (???) and "shhh it's not your concern."

Well, actually, when we're playing together, it is.

After more pleasantries were exchanged in which I was told I "should suicide", I'm a horrible human being and that I should rid myself from the world, I said I wouldn't be playing anymore and asked to be kicked. Of course, this was met with a refusal, as I should "take the penalty and learn my lesson." Eventually the run ended with a vote abandon, but the next morning I was told I now have a permanent warning on my account for refusing to play with such charming people. Apparently not bothering to even play your class correctly to the detriment of your party and telling people to kill themselves is fine, however.

[Acantha]

:P

I haven't got much to report at the moment, i've been trying to sort out my neglected crafters, managed 20 lvls on my WVR in the past 2 evenings spamming leves... probably only the 2nd/3rd time i've ever used them all :|
The only thing I have done via DF recently was 2 new Alexs - the first... omg. OT who didn't get the pick up bomb > move to add > take add to lava > get out of lava when it happens. So many wipes. But got through eventually.
And then the 2nd one (A10?) I felt terrible cause I lagged so badly I was probably a full min if not 2 behind everyone else... they finished without me at least but i'm gonna have to do it again when my internet's a bit more stable!

[Acantha]

Apparently not bothering to even play your class correctly to the detriment of your party and telling people to kill themselves is fine, however.

Saw a post somewhere about a similar thing earlier... Baffles me. I can kinda understand they wanna cut down on the divas that sit and refuse to play because of something they've decided to be annoyed at, but why should someone have to pay a penalty or in your case get a warning because of others being the awkward ones.. ?

[Fluestergras]

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LOL I know someone who made pretty much the same experience, in Pharos Sirius NM, he eventually refused to play with the WHM who couldn't heal for the sake of his life and wiped the party for a horribly high amount of times - he couldn't kick the WHM, but refused to eat the penalty, and thus got reported and warned.

But... these dudes told you to commit suicide, that's definitely reportable too - you should totally have reported them.

[aesteval]

Saw a post somewhere about a similar thing earlier... Baffles me. I can kinda understand they wanna cut down on the divas that sit and refuse to play because of something they've decided to be annoyed at, but why should someone have to pay a penalty or in your case get a warning because of others being the awkward ones.. ?

Because two wrongs don't make a right. The only info we have is in regards to the poster. They were warned for refusing to play - ok, justified on its own. Other people involved? More warnings are justified. But we're not going to know what happened to anyone else because I expect that GMs have a policy to not publicly share punishment information.

[Bebekurenai]

ETA: Also, is nobody going to respond to the second half of my post, the proper way to handle it when NOBODY gets kick and rather we just help to new tank learn to do his job? No, we should just cater to him because it's not like there's BLMs pulling aggro all the way up to level 60 content? Give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish...

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Of course, this would have applied if the first part of the situation wasn't completely negated by the blm not wanting to cooperate in the first place. We don't know if the tank was a new player or new tank, he was new at something though. Did he not fully play to the best of his abilities? No, but then again, he wasn't given the chance. If I was that tank I would have reacted the exact same way, kicking the blm. If the blm would have slowed down a bit I would actually have asked for advice on how to handle an aoe dps. And If I was the blm, I certainly would have toned down and given advice. In a situation that wouldn't ask for a kick everyone would be happy to help eachother out, but this wasn't the case, and clearly the blm was the culprit. So to answer you, the tank wasn't given the chance to get taught how to fish, and imho, the way the blm acted was not a good way of "teaching a lesson for future dungeons to come". Just nope.