Yoshida, The Creator: Savage is the worst tuning ever in an MMO

[Aquaslash]

. You clear you shit then stop playing for 3-4 months why 10000 or more other have to fail for 3-4 months only to see new gear come out just after they finish getting it.

Holy god, THIS. I saw pretty much all the hardcores on my server bail after their A8S clears and stayed gone for months. I only knew of 2 statics still around that were rocking their A8S gear. Only yesterday did I see one of the old guys come back just to sit in Idylshire with full 250 pentamelded gear, a Sophia weapon, and the Arrhideus mount.

How is that better for the scene than what we have now?

[Duelle]

I don't mean it being easier was why it has broken design. It was the tuning of the raids/gear scale/phase skipping that are in question. I don't think it should be so easy to skip phases with ilvl240 gear. It can be easier if it wants, as long as it mechanics and gear is properly tuned towards it.

This sort of goes back to my old argument about raid size and pacing. If Creator had been a 8 or 9-boss raid, you could make the first 3 bosses clearable by an i240 raid. Boss #4 being really difficult to clear in full i240 (though possible if your group is obscenely good), but easier once your raid has one or two drops from Creator. Bosses 5 and 6 would be slightly more difficult without a couple more drops. Bosses 7 and 8 would be even more difficult, and boss 9 would require your raid to be mostly i270 gear to clear.

The above works because the hardcore raiders can try to push as much as they can for the week, while the midcore raiding guilds would progress up to where they can but still get gear upgrades for their members and thus get stronger every week (barring RNGesus not being kind with drops). So while a 1% world-class raiding guild will kill boss #9 first, the midcore guilds wouldn't be that far behind. Bonus being that the "gear issue" wouldn't exist.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Holy god, THIS. I saw pretty much all the hardcores on my server bail after their A8S clears and stayed gone for months. I only knew of 2 statics still around that were rocking their A8S gear. Only yesterday did I see one of the old guys come back just to sit in Idylshire with full 250 pentamelded gear, a Sophia weapon, and the Arrhideus mount.

How is that better for the scene than what we have now?

Its the difference between 1% of the player population being Raiders and raiding for 3 months before taking a break and 25% of the player population being Raiders (Hardcore Raiders, "Midcore" Raiders and the higher skilled portion of the true Midcore population) and raiding for up to 6 months until the next patch releases.

Hardcore Raiders (and the lower skilled Hardcore Raiders that call themselves "Midcore" Raiders) need to understand that they are a very very small and insular part of the total player population.

[SaitoHikari]

Its the difference between 1% of the player population being Raiders and raiding for 3 months before taking a break and 25% of the player population being Raiders (Hardcore Raiders, "Midcore" Raiders and the higher skilled portion of the true Midcore population) and raiding for up to 6 months until the next patch releases.

Hardcore Raiders (and the lower skilled Hardcore Raiders that call themselves "Midcore" Raiders) need to understand that they are a very very small and insular part of the total player population.

This is very important too.

One must understand that everything that happens in this game can set off chain reactions, and there's a higher potential of it happening the more people are involved.

In my own FC especially, there was a group in there that banged their heads against the wall throughout A3S and A6-7S especially for months on end, and this was a group that cleared all of Coil prior. The group began breaking up starting with A3S, and it set off a cycle of team members outright quitting the game/transferring out of the server with everyone else looking for replacements, before too many people quit at once and the team outright completely dissolved several weeks prior to 3.4.

Now you're thinking, this is probably only about a small group of some 8-10 people, right? Wrong. Each person that quit may have been another person's reason for playing the game in the first place, even outside of that group. That person quits, the other person becomes hugely demotivated to continue playing. Then their immediate friends start having doubts about their future in this game as well. And so on and so forth. (I know that personally, I'm only here because of 3 people who introduced me to the game in the first place, of which all of us were refugees from a different MMO. 1 of the 3 has quit, and another is showing doubts about continuing to play precisely because the first has quit. If the remaining two are gone, I know I probably wouldn't remain for much longer either, and I'm someone that doesn't raid at all.)

SE's goal is to keep as many people invested in this game as possible - and as we all know, Alexander has hurt the population quite a bit, even though the raiding scene in this game is supposedly small.

[CookieMonsta]

Holy god, THIS. I saw pretty much all the hardcores on my server bail after their A8S clears and stayed gone for months. I only knew of 2 statics still around that were rocking their A8S gear. Only yesterday did I see one of the old guys come back just to sit in Idylshire with full 250 pentamelded gear, a Sophia weapon, and the Arrhideus mount.

How is that better for the scene than what we have now?

Because those 10000 lack the skill and dedication to earn the BIS reward before the patch. This is very much like real life, you lack the chops, you lose the drops.
My only opinion regarding improving community health is simply have more bosses with a more gradual curve. However, I disagree with giving out the best gear for little work.

My group for example, we cleared a4s only once, we accepted that we weren't good enough to clear faster so we could get bis gear. However, we accepted that and worked to improve so our next tier can be faster.
The first step to improvement is recognising one's shortcomings. And the next step is realising change doesn't happen over night, it may be you need to accept that it will take multiple raid tiers to improve.

Clearing early is also it's own reward, it allows u to go back to your casual life and do the things YOU want to do. E.g. Skipping the farming of the tedious 24 man gear.

[KarstenS]

The content is already being developed for Normal Mode and they are spending pennies developing Savage Mode.

There were already some Interviews were theay said, this is not how its done in FF14.

At first they make the content with an open mind and everything they want to have in it.

Then they balance it. In the case of Alexander, its not they make the normal and then add extra stuff for savage. Its "In Savage you can see everything we wanted to show you" and for normal they tone it down and remove stuff.

The difference between Normal and Savage has been done during the balancing, not during the design procress of the content.

[vp_cmc]

They eliminated casuals and midcore people in gordias (btw gordias was just fine for my static) and now they eliminate hardcore people from the game (we are in a12s, will clear it in 1-2 weeks I suppose). So I think in 4.0 they plan to remove difficult raiding alltogether, change rotations (jobs have 1 button that they should mash all day long seems about right) and make completing story from 2.0 to 4.0 the hardest part of the game

[CosmicKirby]

They eliminated casuals and midcore people in gordias (btw gordias was just fine for my static) and now they eliminate hardcore people from the game (we are in a12s, will clear it in 1-2 weeks I suppose). So I think in 4.0 they plan to remove difficult raiding alltogether, change rotations (jobs have 1 button that they should mash all day long seems about right) and make completing story from 2.0 to 4.0 the hardest part of the game

You must be so much fun at parties. What with your absurd hyperbole, the trampoline you used to jump to conclusions, and the slip in slide you have for all those slopes.

[Pasquale]

I still think a good solution for everyone is something harder than Creator but Easier than Midas cuz again this is so much easier than midas and as last raid tier it is supposed to last longer ( cuz of the expansion) . It'snice to have more people clearing the content but it's even better if more people clear a challenging content

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I still think a good solution for everyone is something harder than Creator but Easier than Midas cuz again this is so much easier than midas and as last raid tier it is supposed to last longer ( cuz of the expansion) . It'snice to have more people clearing the content but it's even better if more people clear a challenging content

I think Living Liquid and Brute Justice would be okay for the final fight in a six or eight tier raid. Even two of them together as the A5-A6 wouldn't be too bad, seeing people who aren't interested in that level of difficulty still have six fights to enjoy. What I feel bogs everything down is how laughably easy normal is. With it being story centric, no one ought to expect anything absurd, but it certainly shouldn't be a complete faceroll. That does nothing to help gradually attune players to any difficulty spike nor does it offer any opportunity to practice. With extreme primals, you can sort of bounce between them and get a general gauge on their difficulty. When I finally cleared my first at relevant ilvl (Nidhogg), it made adjusting to Sophia EX much easier. Alexander has lacked this due to normal mode being largely a joke.