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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post
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    Well, I'm not saying that people that want to buy it shouldn't buy it. If you have the money and want to support it, it's not like I can stop you anyway.

    But you are saying that the people that don't agree with the price do not value the work of other people. That's extremely rude.

    Also, these artists likely have a salary way higher than 3 dollars. It's not like they aren't getting paid for it at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melorie View Post
    But you are saying that the people that don't agree with the price do not value the work of other people. That's extremely rude.
    Meh, sometimes the truth hurts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post
    Meh, sometimes the truth hurts.
    Yeah, because if I don't agree with the price of a thing at all, I don't value the work of people. Good lord. LOL The world that some people live in is amazing. It's either black or white. You could use that money you spend valuing other people's work buying some common sense, y'know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melorie View Post
    Yeah, because if I don't agree with the price of a thing at all, I don't value the work of people. Good lord. LOL The world that some people live in is amazing. It's either black or white. You could use that money you spend valuing other people's work buying some common sense, y'know.
    You do you, and I'll do me, and let's see how good the "I want it at this price, wah!" mentality works for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melorie View Post
    Also, these artists likely have a salary way higher than 3 dollars. It's not like they aren't getting paid for it at all.
    No, but more than likely, Square didn't get the rights to distribute this dress in the other regions free of charge due to the dress's origin, and they need to be paid. As this post from earlier in the topic illustrates:

    Quote Originally Posted by ErikMynhier View Post
    Because these are third-party SE does not have the rights to these items in international and US/EU/JP law to just give it away in a quest. They cannot buy say the Cloud item and the rights outright. They have to buy it per generation so all a quest would do is cost them a fortune as SE still has to pay the Chinese group per cloud. The only way to open it up to us is if we as the players pay the fee, which we do by buying it from the mogstation. This is why in an earlier interview it was mentioned that non-XIV music like Crono Triggers would come in the mogstation if anywhere. Even though SE holds general rights, the various sub rights such as distribution, music, media rights and all may belong to individuals unwilling to share or that are no longer with SE

    In instances such as the Youkai event the third-party was giving away the items, which the Chinese company has no desire to do. A basic understanding of copy right law goes a long way in explaining these things. Its not all "flip a switch" and "SE is greedy don't put it in the cash shop". Seriously you may want to look into things with a simple bit of google-fu before making arguments like that. Not necessarily the one I'm quoting but people in general. Several of the items in the mogstation have to be given in there as its illegal to hand them out and our only other free route (given as a bonus from a third-party company like Amazon) we proved we can't be trusted.
    Copyright and Distribution laws are crazy things. The price of the dress is more than likely factoring in the cost it took Square to even purchase the rights to distribute it.

    I fully expect if they bring the wukong stuff over here at some point it'll cost just as much, if not more due to the exact same reason. Just pray Square themselves designs the next big glamour piece you want and not a company from another region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir View Post
    No, but more than likely, Square didn't get the rights to distribute this dress in the other regions free of charge due to the dress's origin, and they need to be paid. As this post from earlier in the topic illustrates:



    Copyright and Distribution laws are crazy things. The price of the dress is more than likely factoring in the cost it took Square to even purchase the rights to distribute it.

    I fully expect if they bring the wukong stuff over here at some point it'll cost just as much, if not more due to the exact same reason. Just pray Square themselves designs the next big glamour piece you want and not a company from another region.
    Square (specifically the FFXIV team at square enix) designed these items to begin with.... there is no chinese or korean development team. The chinese company that people think runs FFXIV over there is ONLY a marketing and support company that gives outside companies access to Chinese markets without jumping through a huge number of hoops while offering regional support to customers of that game.... why do so many people not understand this, even the chinese media has made this quite clear. This is like saying that everything in square enix online store is owned and copyrighted by pepita when pepitastore is only a distribution and support company and has nothing to do with actually creating the product itself and has no rights to it outside of current distribution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir View Post
    No, but more than likely, Square didn't get the rights to distribute this dress in the other regions free of charge due to the dress's origin, and they need to be paid. As this post from earlier in the topic illustrates:



    Copyright and Distribution laws are crazy things. The price of the dress is more than likely factoring in the cost it took Square to even purchase the rights to distribute it.

    I fully expect if they bring the wukong stuff over here at some point it'll cost just as much, if not more due to the exact same reason. Just pray Square themselves designs the next big glamour piece you want and not a company from another region.




    All we can do is speculate really! We do know that SE's development team designed and implemented the dress in game, and we do that Yoshida's only given reasoning that they have items that don't "fit" into the universe is that the Asian regions don't care much for immersion. If the item has been licensed by the Chinese publisher, they issued a commission so that SE would design it or it's in their contract for the license of the game. If it was a commission, then the money paid to license the item would be no more than the money paid to create it.

    I don't believe SE would force themselves into a contract where they lose items they developed in house, they claimed it takes 6 months to design a set, 6 months of development time from our development team. But again, all we can do is speculate. Let's not pretend they wouldn't have charged higher prices if that's not the case though, I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's a very desirable item and the community has made that clear. MMORPGs like Black Desert Online take advantage of that too, the gear in that game are worlds apart from FFXIV and they charge a hefty $30 per set, per class. I'm guilty of spending quite a bit on there myself, before they killed off the game anyhow. :s
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    Okay, so, coming in late to the game here but...

    Has anyone happened to mentioned the fact that these items, which were promised as an exlusive item for China, were not free for the chinese populace and they too had to pay for them?

    I mean, it's one thing to expect a free regional exlusive to be put into our version of the game free as well, but these outfits, emotes and barding were never free to begin with and the only reason we got them across the NA/EU/JP versions to begin with is because of user feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LillithCale View Post
    Okay, so, coming in late to the game here but...

    Has anyone happened to mentioned the fact that these items, which were promised as an exlusive item for China, were not free for the chinese populace and they too had to pay for them?

    I mean, it's one thing to expect a free regional exlusive to be put into our version of the game free as well, but these outfits, emotes and barding were never free to begin with and the only reason we got them across the NA/EU/JP versions to begin with is because of user feedback.
    Well it has been pointed out the price to that version so possibly?
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