Get Your Gil-Sinks Straight

[Anonymoose]

Please excuse the frequently salty language of a true-blooded, from-beta, frustrated citizen of Limsa Lominsa

I'm getting kind of tired of the general idea that Eorzea's gil-sinks need to be expensive for a while so we can drain out all the excess gil from people who lucked out early on. Do you think the rich are going to blow their money because airships and repairs cost a decent chunk of change?

Half-laughing/half-surprised
No, they *** won't.
If you knew you had enough money now for a relic in 2015, would you go hog wild on dark matter and fast travel because you had the means to the end? *** no you wouldn't.
Stop punishing the middle class.

We don't need a few expensive, obligatory gil-sinks. We need a metric-***-ton of optional ones that are related to bonus content. "Hardcores" have to do and have everything, and they have to have it first or their *** doesn't look as big when they hang a fanciful and elaborate picture frame around it and give it a nice shave.

Make doing and having everything more expensive,
don't make the things everyone has no choice but to take part in more expensive.

This trend worries me. New players may be able to get by on repairs and travel by doing their leves, but how are they supposed to save up for anything to take pride in? Or how are they to save up for the obscenely priced low-tier gear in the wards, for that matter? Achievement isn't about getting by on your grind, it's about having nice things to show for it.

These quick-fixes, IMHO, are going nowhere.

OP to be updated if discussion yields better points. For the love of the Twelve, if you quote this, just quote the parts of it relevant to your reply.

[Nuru]

I made a thread similar to this but was mainly focused on the armor/weapon aspect of the game. People in the MW either sell for shit tones of gil or they don't even make the weapons at all. The only other place to get them is from vendors but they are just as or even more ridiculous at pricing them than those in the MW. As if anyone would pay that much for a level 10-20 gear. lol

[Cycloptichorn]

The prices on the wards will, over the next month, drop precipitously as competition begins to re-assert itself and as people who were previously making due with gimped high-level stuff sort out their mid-level gear. Give it a few weeks and see if the items aren't a lot more affordable.

I do agree with the OP, however - give us LS houses that cost a mint, and upgrades to them that also cost a mint. Great gil-sink.

[FNXIV]

The gil sinks don't really seem to be that bad. We still have anima and one doesn't need to repair often unless they die often. How much are the gil sinks costing you?

[Anonymoose]

How much are the gil sinks costing you?

Me, personally? I blew through about 100k in the one day I logged in for Foundation Day.

50k - Full gear repair
10k - 2 airship rides (one to test it, one to avoid hassle on quests)
1k - Chocobo Rental to get to newb (but not n00b) who needed help.
15k - Repair of weapon, shield, and rings after helping lower rank player defeat Toto-Rak to get his chocobo
35k - Replenish lost dark matter surplus.

Honestly, I cannot STAND gear damage. The whole system is a ham-handed justification of giving crafters their own exp-able classes. If it wasn't part of the "But the rich need to be taxed with gil-sinks!" system and the cost similar to, twelve help me, WoW (where you can throw 1/10th of the average participant profit of a raid at an NPC and walk away fully repaired) I'd be much more okay with it as a gil-sink.

Still, I took a decent bank hit just to do a holiday quest and help a lower level player (who made it a little more worth my while for thanking me up and down for throwing him like 15 new items that were his level, lol)

[Cycloptichorn]

Dark Matter isn't a sink per se. It's a usable item and a commodity. You can make a profit off of it easily...

[Anonymoose]

Dark Matter isn't a sink per se. It's a usable item and a commodity. You can make a profit off of it easily...

Aye. I keep some spares on me just in case I need field repairs at the dungeon, but I usually just put up 5k and bazaar it. Can you believe I was EXCITED for the dark matter system because I was sick of every repair costing me 4~5k? I laugh lamentingly at my previous naivete.

[neizero]

Repairs today are VERY cheap and convenient compared to the beginning of the game. My Iron haubergeon back in the day used to cost nearly 100k to repair at the NPC to 75%.... now 5k to 99%. How can you complain about this?

I cannot believe that in the time it takes you to take your gear down from 100 to 1% you haven't found drops worth 50k.

Maybe you don't even know the value of the drops you get from even the lowest level monsters? Pretty much Any +3 mats will sell for a good chunk(20-50k each) even if it may seem like "common" or "worthless" to you. So find out what stuff is worth before you vendor it and you will find yourself making a profit, even after you factor in repairs.

With regards to high prices on low level gear, or simply not enough low level gear going around, in my opinion this is subject to very limited selling slots (20). Crafters cannot afford to waste those slots to sell an armor that will make them 5k profit. If SE were to increase selling slots on retainers to say, 50 each, then surely most people would struggle to keep 100 high level armors to sell, and they can fill in the gaps with other stuff such as low level gear.

And finally regarding Airship fees, they are level based so if it's costing you 5k then you have a LV50 Class. If 5k really bothers you then you can use your own (free) chocobo, airships are a commodity, not mandatory at all, and 5k to a LV50 character... come on, read the above paragraph about monster drops.

[Cycloptichorn]

I wanted to ask about this too -

50k - Full gear repair
10k - 2 airship rides (one to test it, one to avoid hassle on quests)
1k - Chocobo Rental to get to newb (but not n00b) who needed help.
15k - Repair of weapon, shield, and rings after helping lower rank player defeat Toto-Rak to get his chocobo

Unless you died in toto-rak a few times - which frankly seems doubtful - why did you have to repair your rings and weapon? You just paid to repair them a minute ago, and they certainly couldn't have been down to zero yet.

[Jinko]

Seriously !!

Its not hard to make money in this game, do yourself a favour and pick up a craft, if not well then its your own fault if you have no money.

It's like someone saying they hate being poor in the real world even though they refuse to work.

Repairs cost nothing if you farm the dark matter also .