A12 savage World first 3 days after patch

[Pasquale]

@pasquale:
cause the larger part of the server population might have a chance to down it. seriously if that 1-2% of the player base that can down it rather fast unsub for a while the game won't die, but if the mid-core ppl have actually something to do and slowly progress towards the clear, it is way more healthy for the game in the long run.
and just cause one group which probably put 30hrs since tuesday in this downed it now, it's still not easy content. especially if it's mechanic heavy

If the top group is able to clear it in 3 days , the mid group will clear it in 1 month , soft group maybe 2 month .. What's fir the 4 other months?

[Starkbeaumont]

If the top group is able to clear it in 3 days , the mid group will clear it in 1 month , soft group maybe 2 month .. What's fir the 4 other months?

newer ppl will be motivated to try it, ppl that never raided before.

before you had groups try certain floors for months and they couldn't succeed and eventually gave up. 1, 2 even 3 months all without a reward and in the end some canceled their sub. do you really think that's the better way?

[Greydor]

.. What's fir the 4 other months?

From the FFXIV Gamescom Interview (Source Here, 9/2016):

Author (a player):
"Hey YoshiP, I love FFXIV, but it's hard to keep playing your game (because of the lack of content) and now I'm taking a break here. Sorry for asking this but is there a way or a reason to keep playing? or anything that can you teach me how to keep my motivation for playing your game?" - A player asking Yoshida during Gamescom

Yoshida:
"It's alright not to play it everyday. Since it's just a game, you can stop forcing yourself if it's hard on you to keep that up. Rather, it'll just pile up unnecessary stress if you limit yourself into playing just that one game since there are so many other games out there. So, do come back and play it to your heart's content when the major patch kicks in, then stop it to play other games before you got burnt out, and then come back for another major patch. This will actually make me happier, and in the end, I think this is the best solution I can answer for keeping your motivation up for the game."

[Bourne_Endeavor]

From the FFXIV Gamescom Interview (Source Here, 9/2016):Author (a player):
"Hey YoshiP, I love FFXIV, but it's hard to keep playing your game (because of the lack of content) and now I'm taking a break here. Sorry for asking this but is there a way or a reason to keep playing? or anything that can you teach me how to keep my motivation for playing your game?" - A player asking Yoshida during Gamescom

Yoshida:
"It's alright not to play it everyday. Since it's just a game, you can stop forcing yourself if it's hard on you to keep that up. Rather, it'll just pile up unnecessary stress if you limit yourself into playing just that one game since there are so many other games out there. So, do come back and play it to your heart's content when the major patch kicks in, then stop it to play other games before you got burnt out, and then come back for another major patch. This will actually make me happier, and in the end, I think this is the best solution I can answer for keeping your motivation up for the game."

That... isn't a great answer. Granted, it's understandable for people to get a little drained a couple weeks or even a month before the next patch. The concern some have now is if Savage goes down fast, then a six month raid couldn't eve last half that time. Now we don't yet know how midcore players will handle it. So, again, it's too early to judge. But it's still a fair to consider.

Nonetheless, let's say Savage does go down fairly easy. Would you say basically the entire patch being completed within a month and a half is good for the game's longevity? The midcore playerbase is much more comparable to the casual crowd in terms of numbers. If even they start to run out of content early. That isn't good.

[Kosmos992k]

Nonetheless, let's say Savage does go down fairly easy. Would you say basically the entire patch being completed within a month and a half is good for the game's longevity? The midcore playerbase is much more comparable to the casual crowd in terms of numbers. If even they start to run out of content early. That isn't good.

That depends on the % of players being engaged by end-game content and the % clearing end-game content. In that regard, the last Alex Savage round was a pretty harsh failure with stupidly low completion rates.

A super hardcore group beat the new raid quickly. But will mid-core groups fair so well? Seems like the last tier is already a long term raiding goal for those groups, making this new tier an even longer term goal, yes?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

That depends on the % of players being engaged by end-game content and the % clearing end-game content. In that regard, the last Alex Savage round was a pretty harsh failure with stupidly low completion rates.

A super hardcore group beat the new raid quickly. But will mid-core groups fair so well? Seems like the last tier is already a long term raiding goal for those groups, making this new tier an even longer term goal, yes?

Definitely. Like I said, it's far too early to make any definitives on whether Savage has become "too easy." We'll have a better idea come 3.5, especially if clear rates are substantially higher. Gordias and Midas were abysmal. If nothing else, this may help the rate scene recover enough that if they did decide to scale it up against (not to previous levels), people might be more open to attempting it.

[Velhart]

Nonetheless, let's say Savage does go down fairly easy. Would you say basically the entire patch being completed within a month and a half is good for the game's longevity? The midcore playerbase is much more comparable to the casual crowd in terms of numbers. If even they start to run out of content early. That isn't good.

In this situation, no it is not good for the community. For one, if people are beating it within two to three months, that content ideally is suppose to last us until expansion. Which can be as a long as 7-8 months. General interest for midcore/hardcore, unless 3.45/3.5 can add something significant to the table, will die down quickly. The faster clear rates hurt the economy also that items like potions, food, crafted gear will not be as desired at a faster rate.

A really bad drought is going to happen between end of this year and the expansion. 3.5 may bring interest back a bit, but I have a feeling a lot of people will be "looking at other games" pretty early.

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Only real compromise I see is adding three modes to the game.

Story Mode
Hard Mode (What Creator Savage is right now)
Savage Mode (More on lines with SCoB Savage and Gordias Savage)

In a ideal world we would just take story mode out and leave the other two as is, but SE is intent on keeping it because people need their story right now with minimal effort. I don't completely understand how developers can't do this since how they work the fights is they make it impossible, then work it down till it is at a level of difficulty they deem appropriate. Won't pretend to know how it works, but three modes does seem possible.

[Hyperia]

My static is looking forward to the diffilty change. We hope to down A12S in a few weeks and then we can enjoy doing it on alts, doing other raid content or other things together during our scheduled nights. It will be a welcome change to spending months stuck on an encounter becaus of silly over the top checks.

Remember, we are here to have fun! If you want to make the content harder for your static, try taking gear off once your inside to lower your item level. Now there is your challenge, do A12S in i200 gear!

[jack891]

For me the new savage is the normal mode we were promised before the release of heavensward (coil with echo). Just seems the perfect difficulty for midcores,PFs and raid finder. Savage should be harder for the world progs, hardcores and for some midcores to dive into

[Felsea83]

I respect yoshi-p for his attitude. It's just a game. Even though he is probably on mega coin and gets to,probably, play all day long...as a job!! Still, he listens and applies what he can. I trust him with the future of this game. It's a great game and now it's even bigger for the more casual player that has other things to do in real life. *salute*