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    Quote Originally Posted by RethDaron View Post
    it would have to offer an advantage players can't get unless they pay to make it fit that term.
    Actually, that's not really true. Even the "official" (calling urban dictionary official hurts..xD) definition is about buying stuff that gives you a significant edge over other players, but never mentions it has to be completely unobtainable for those who do not pay.

    A very common - and dreaded - version of P2W is fully upgraded/enchanted/melded/etc. endgame gear that can be bought in the CS, because by paying, you instantly have the strongest gear available in the game.
    Said gear is usually not unobtainable ingame - it's just fairly hard to get. It also eliminates any and all motivation to even bother working on getting it ingame when everyone can just whip out their credit card and get it that way.
    THAT's what most people talk about when they are talking about P2W.

    Also, even by your standards, this could qualify - because it is the ONLY non-head exp bonus item in the entire game. You can not obtain that in any other way than by buying it from the Mogstation, so yeah, we have effectively hit "P2W".
    It's not exactly a problematic area yet (because exp is already an overabundance), but it is a dangerous first step to take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    Actually, that's not really true. Even the "official" (calling urban dictionary official hurts..xD) definition is about buying stuff that gives you a significant edge over other players, but never mentions it has to be completely unobtainable for those who do not pay.

    A very common - and dreaded - version of P2W is fully upgraded/enchanted/melded/etc. endgame gear that can be bought in the CS, because by paying, you instantly have the strongest gear available in the game.
    Said gear is usually not unobtainable ingame - it's just fairly hard to get. It also eliminates any and all motivation to even bother working on getting it ingame when everyone can just whip out their credit card and get it that way.
    THAT's what most people talk about when they are talking about P2W.

    Also, even by your standards, this could qualify - because it is the ONLY non-head exp bonus item in the entire game. You can not obtain that in any other way than by buying it from the Mogstation, so yeah, we have effectively hit "P2W".
    It's not exactly a problematic area yet (because exp is already an overabundance), but it is a dangerous first step to take.
    I'm curious why they didn't roll that type of bonus nonsense into something akin to WoW's old relic armor. If I'm buying this (full disclosure, I'm buying that dress), I don't give any care about the exp boost. It just seems superfluous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    ONLY non-head exp bonus item in the entire game. You can not obtain that in any other way than by buying it from the Mogstation, so yeah, we have effectively hit "P2W".
    It's not exactly a problematic area yet (because exp is already an overabundance), but it is a dangerous first step to take.
    The hall of novice would like a word with you. The ring from there does the same thing and isn't tied to a set bonus. ;D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    -snip-
    Boy was this logic a stretch.

    Also Brand-New Ring. Look it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SessionZero View Post
    Brand-New Ring.
    Well, I meant to say "the only body gear with such a bonus" but it's a set bonus so I didn't know how else to put it since I'm not proficient enough in the English language.
    What I mean is, it's the only gear in said slot (body/pants/feet) that gives such a bonus, so if you are going for maximum efficiency, you would need to wear exp bonus hat, exp bnous ring and exp bonus body. Both others are/were available through the game itsself, either as a bonus item when buying the game or from the Hall of the Novice ingame, which is not the case for this slot though, that has no other option available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    Well, I meant to say "the only body gear with such a bonus" but it's a set bonus so I didn't know how else to put it since I'm not proficient enough in the English language.
    What I mean is, it's the only gear in said slot (body/pants/feet) that gives such a bonus, so if you are going for maximum efficiency, you would need to wear exp bonus hat, exp bnous ring and exp bonus body. Both others are/were available through the game itsself, either as a bonus item when buying the game or from the Hall of the Novice ingame, which is not the case for this slot though, that has no other option available.
    That still doesn't make it pay-to-win. At most you get to hit level 30 with garbage stats a little quicker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    Well, I meant to say "the only body gear with such a bonus" but it's a set bonus so I didn't know how else to put it since I'm not proficient enough in the English language.
    What I mean is, it's the only gear in said slot (body/pants/feet) that gives such a bonus, so if you are going for maximum efficiency, you would need to wear exp bonus hat, exp bnous ring and exp bonus body. Both others are/were available through the game itsself, either as a bonus item when buying the game or from the Hall of the Novice ingame, which is not the case for this slot though, that has no other option available.
    Considering you can get up to 600% or more extra exp while leveling an alternate class without this... I don't think this is that big of a deal. Not to mention you have to give up five gear slots to maximize the effect as you put it.
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    Last edited by Kerii; 09-29-2016 at 07:04 AM.

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    White knights will justify anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillo View Post
    White knights will justify anything.
    and reasonable people can have conversations and debate without name calling.
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