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  1. #61
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    Atoli's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    That's the minimum, it's not like you can go into a fight and have the option to just stand there and DPS (unless it's A1S Faust).
    You do not need to have the same DPS as on the dummy in the actual fight to clear DPS checks. Also, while having to do mechanics drops your DPS, buffs/debuffs on the boss from other partymembers raise it.
    What SSS tells you is basically just "If you can do this much DMG whithout mechanics, you'll be fine in the actual fight unless you COMPLETELY derp out". It's not a guarantee to be able to clear it if you can beat the dummy nor is it a guarantee you will fail it if you can't beat it.
    Most recent example: Nidhogg EX because I still have the numbers in my head of a recent parse; everyone else was doing 200-1000 DPS below what the dummy requires to be beaten and yet DPS was not a problem in the fight at all.
    So the dummies already plan in a drop in DPS due to boss mechanics and the like.
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  2. #62
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    Ruruneji Seseneji
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    I really cannot grasp why people don’t want this.

    I get that it shouldn’t be for all duties, but if it was only applied to roulettes (excluding leveling roulette) I think it would be fine. That way, new players who are doing the dungeons individually and leveling through roulette wouldn’t have a barrier to entry.
    WoW did a similar thing (in WoD. Can’t speak for legion) where if you wanted to play with randoms you had to prove you weren’t bad. And you know how people reacted? All those who passed to test loved it. I’ll admit I sucked at it. I couldn’t for the life of my complete it. But I persevered, and I finally completed it.

    I improved my skills, something you don’t seem to want to do.

    Heroic dungeons were a breeze and enjoyable because all you had to worry about was mechanics, not if the warrior sucked. Yes there was an outcry from the bad players and yes they were loud. But would you want to play with a floor kissing healer?
    I believe SSS should be like Proving grounds were in WoW. Tanks had to tank, healers had to heal and dps had to dps. Gear wasn’t a big factor as you were scaled down (or up) moderately.

    Your arguments are that it’s the mechanics that kill people, so what? If you can’t pass SSS then you shouldn’t be in the duty with random people who are good enough.
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enur View Post
    I really cannot grasp why people don’t want this.
    For EX trials and raids, I can neither. Those are tuned for pretty good performance, so it makes sense to test whether you are good enough for your own sake.
    For roulettes? I'd say it's pointless. Those are tuned so low, the dummy is pretty much a formality at that point.

    I'd also like to note that WoW has been bleeding almost 2 million subs each expansion since Cataclysm (And stopped reporting entirely at 5,6 mill for damage control). I'd be somewhat cautious going into a similar direction as WoW did post WotLK.
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  4. #64
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    Xiao Tianfeng
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enur View Post
    I really cannot grasp why people don’t want this.
    because it'll show people that they're bad and it'll hurt their feelings, instead of taking it as a sign that they need to improve
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  5. #65
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    Lineage Razor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enur View Post
    I really cannot grasp why people don’t want this.
    Because there's no point to it. A player who passes SSS will still wipe a raid if they can't do mechanics. For the vast, VAST majority of players, enrage is NOT the thing that wipes the group - it's failing the dance.

    Your arguments are that it’s the mechanics that kill people, so what? If you can’t pass SSS then you shouldn’t be in the duty with random people who are good enough.
    And if you CAN pass SSS - it's still not even a slight indicator that you should be in a duty. All it means is that your gear is good enough, and you know what order to use your skills in on a chunk of wood that holds perfectly still and never attacks you.

    Admittedly, SSS might be a good indicator of whether you're going to be able to get past Faust, or Hummelfaust, or whatever new Faust we'll see in Alexander the Creator - but for all other parts of the raid? The majority of players who passed SSS with flying colors will STILL hold you back, because DPS while eating dirt tends to drop rapidly.

    I maintain that the majority of players who attempt Savage Raids CAN pass SSS, even if they haven't tried. And yet, the raids still fail...

    Having a requirement like this would simply waste folks' time. SSS is a waste of time, in general, to be honest. It is not remotely an accurate gauge of whether you're ready to attempt an instance.
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    Last edited by LineageRazor; 09-27-2016 at 11:12 PM.

  6. #66
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    Kaurie Lorhart
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    Because there's no point to it. A player who passes SSS will still wipe a raid if they can't do mechanics. For the vast, VAST majority of players, enrage is NOT the thing that wipes the group - it's failing the dance.

    And if you CAN pass SSS - it's still not even a slight indicator that you should be in a duty. All it means is that your gear is good enough, and you know what order to use your skills in on a chunk of wood that holds perfectly still and never attacks you.

    Admittedly, SSS might be a good indicator of whether you're going to be able to get past Faust, or Hummelfaust, or whatever new Faust we'll see in Alexander the Creator - but for all other parts of the raid? The majority of players who passed SSS with flying colors will STILL hold you back, because DPS while eating dirt tends to drop rapidly.

    I maintain that the majority of players who attempt Savage Raids CAN pass SSS, even if they haven't tried. And yet, the raids still fail...

    Having a requirement like this would simply waste folks' time. SSS is a waste of time, in general, to be honest. It is not remotely an accurate gauge of whether you're ready to attempt an instance.
    While I don't want this to be mandatory, because I don't want to go waste my time doing SSS, it's hardly 'pointless'. Clearing requires competence of both mechanics and rotation, this would check for one of those things.

    Of course it isn't going to say, 'hey, you're 100% guaranteed to pass with this guy' - it simply checks that they pass the bare minimum requirements to actually do the content.
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  7. #67
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    Auriana Redsteele
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enur View Post
    I really cannot grasp why people don’t want this.

    I get that it shouldn’t be for all duties, but if it was only applied to roulettes (excluding leveling roulette) I think it would be fine.
    Excluding all the roulettes, trials (EX or otherwise), raids and other duties that can be done before reaching level 60. This because you need to be level 60 before SSS is available.
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  8. #68
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    Deceptistar Meow
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    Making SSS manditory would be rather scary as the actual raids are not the same dps as hitting a timed bump on the log trial, due to the mechanics in the actual raid. Rather I would be wary that it might birth those Mr/Ms 'elite-misunderstanding' who think their all fine due to the unmoving SSS and then plummet their score in actual raids due to dodge mechanics and whatnot
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