As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Rennies]

I mean, it's only bad if you're dead. I will continue spamming my Holy while you are at 20% health because Benediction will do enough for you. I will continue Gravity spam for as long as possible so I can get the most mileage out of Essential Dignity.

I'd rather have a healer that DPSes more than they should and kills someone occasionally than a healer who's clearly on Netflix eating popcorn while petting their cat. It's even more disgusting when they talk down on the rest of the team as if they're contributing anything more than what's necessary.

[HighMarshal]

I have a simple way of looking at it.
Did anyone die due to my healing?
No?
Then add up all their DPS and that it my contribution. Dead players contribute no DPS.

Though I do DPS with scholar, as it is most of the time, easy to do so.

[Nekotee]

If dps avoid aoe and perform all deadly mecanic perfectly and if tank have good mitigation rotation and timing
There is a minimal healing to do

And a maximum dps to provide

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I got A8 NM on mentor yesterday
I gently ask or remind tanks that they have to swap on magic vulnerability
I got spat on my face because they don't have to bother doing that when i'm here to heal through damage

I didn't even try to smile when I watch them die and yell in agony
It was so good
They don't want me to dps, i won't heal either, it's a package 8D

[Gallus]

I mean, it's only bad if you're dead.

It's bad if you are dead, debuffed (that slow debuff that makes your GCD twice as long, I swear I get cleansed from stuff like that 1 out of 10 times by random Broil/Stone III/Malefic II spammers) or in the verge of dying in for example a dangerous phase of a boss.
A good healer isn't the one that heals through everything when everybody handles mechanics properly, a good healer only shows up when things don't go as planned and everybody starts taking extra damage. If they can DPS on top of it, then they are flawless, but if they DPS and somebody that could've been saved reasonably dies along the way (reasonably as in somebody taking extra damage, knowing unavoidable AOE damage is coming within 3-4 seconds and not topping them off), then it's a fail in my book.

Let me put you an example: Weeping City of Mhach, Add phase 2nd boss. Lots of stuff seem to go wrong there every time, people not dodging doom, adds positioned poorly and people taking chunks of unnecessary damage, on top of that unavoidable poison from that other add. A good healer knows this and anticipates it. I go with my SCH and unless raid wipes I tryhard like mad cleansing dooms, poisons and topping everyone. I go with a DPS class and my party becomes an almost guaranteed sea of corpses within seconds with at least one of the healers on cleric.

[Rawrz]

A good player in general will make up for the faults of others. A healer has the greatest ability to carry like this.

If a DPS dies and I'm 5 seconds from a Swiftcast popping back up, I'm going to continue to dps and swiftcast instead of hard casting.

Good healers will anticipate debuffs. Bad players will create unnecessary and unplanned debuffs. As a healer, it is at my discretion as to what is worth cleansing. If you're mildly poisoned, but HP healthy I'm not going to go outside of a fey caress to cleanse you, since you don't need it. Slow is easily Fey Caressed as well. If you need it cleansed more than once a minute, someone is probably failing a mechanic: see Ravana EX.

[Nekotee]

Well most of the time the healer job is knowing which attack is coming if this is avoidable or not and the amount of damage on the party/player to pre-cast the adéquat spell and lose the least dps

[Dogempire]

Snip

Yeah, I just picked up ninja and hit level 46 and BOOM, instantly 4 or 5 new skills from 45-46.

I have a 60 summoner but I forgot how much of a struggle adapting to new rotations is.

Honestly, it's a good thing that healer rotations aren't complicated because it's so easy to get tunnel vision when you don't know your rotation too well.

Though at the end of the day, when you get your rotations on lockdown, dpsing isn't that hard.

[Etwo]

Dungeons get really boring if you just wait for the hp to get low.

[FunkyBunch]

Just my personal experience, but I'm too busy trying to burn down mobs/the boss to really care about what the healer does aside from their main job of making sure nobody eats dirt. If the healer dpses, then great! If not, then w/e, I'll just spend a little longer doing the dungeon.

It's pretty darn obvious to me when the Healer is doing jack all. I'm running out of TP or a 7 minute fight is taking 10 minutes.
I watch what everyone is doing, so I can help them. I'm not actually a jackhole in game.

I routinely teach new tanks how to tank more effectively. I'm frustrated with how Healers are in game, so I complain here. I also solved my own personal problem by being the Healer in DF content for the most part.

It's not just a "little longer" it's a significant amount of time (20-30% longer depending on party make-up) because Healers have some of the best AoE in the game.

You're also completely ignoring the fact, that Healers not DPSing will literally cause wipes in many instances. Same as if tanks aren't using cooldowns.
You can't do the full pull in Fractal or Neverreap for example if the Healer doesn't DOT or Gravity or Holy a few times because you will literally die.
Healers are holding back far more parties than any other class, because it's the only class that thinks that doing nothing is fine.

Please note, not a single person is advocating for DPSing if someone legitimately needs healing. Like you have an undergeared tank pulling too large. You may not be able to DPS much. You guys keep mixing in things that are not what we are asking for or even talking about.

All I want is literally for you to not be standing around doing nothing and doing a bit of DPS if it's possible. I'm not asking you to top the DPS charts. I'm not asking you to maximize your rotations and keep everyone at the minimum health level. I'm just asking you to not stand around and stop arguing that not DPSing is good. It's worse than the in-game text tells you to be. End of story.

[FunkyBunch]

A good player in general will make up for the faults of others. A healer has the greatest ability to carry like this.

If a DPS dies and I'm 5 seconds from a Swiftcast popping back up, I'm going to continue to dps and swiftcast instead of hard casting.

Good healers will anticipate debuffs. Bad players will create unnecessary and unplanned debuffs. As a healer, it is at my discretion as to what is worth cleansing. If you're mildly poisoned, but HP healthy I'm not going to go outside of a fey caress to cleanse you, since you don't need it. Slow is easily Fey Caressed as well. If you need it cleansed more than once a minute, someone is probably failing a mechanic: see Ravana EX.

Exactly, if a DPS is derping hard and doing worse than me, they're not a high priority on a raise as Swiftcast is usually used on ShadowFlare for me to cope with large pulls.
I won't purposely let anyone die, but I'll make a judgement call on whether you're worth a swiftcast raise every time.