Why is Yoshi P turning his back on the playerbase that loves this game the most?

[SwdVengeance]

XIV being an MMO is a little different.

Oh, absolutely, I don't disagree. There's a line at which replaying similar or the same content isn't fun. People seem to think though that the game is somehow bad or flawed, that after doing something a dozen times, having fun with it, it suddenly because tiresome and a slog. People need to be ok with saying, "I'm tired of this, I won't do it anymore". That's not to say I'm excusing content that is lackluster and doesn't have some staying power, but as you said, after 200 days, it will be boring. Yoshi isn't holding you hostage though, you're more than welcome to not pay and not play. I don't mean to sound snide saying that. Oft times I think people's expectations of MMOs is to keep them entertained continuously and definitively. Stopping to play something else is perfectly, and imo absolutely, necessary to continuing to care about any persistent game. Taking breaks for months seems a natural course when you run yourself dry.

And while I understand where you're coming from, projecting on Yoshi doesn't really help your argument.

[Reynhart]

And while I understand where you're coming from, projecting on Yoshi doesn't really help your argument.

This is the problem I have with latests interviews.
Yoshi-P said several time that he's okay with us playing other games. This is not normal. He's a producer, he has a product to sell on us. You can't make a publicity campaign saying "Oh, by the way, it's not a big deal if you don't buy our product, you can go buy our competitor's instead"
The other part is that every time someone asked for something different than the current formula, he replied that the formula is good because we would complain if we had less. Of course we'll be pissed if you give us less content...

But would that work in an MMO? I mean it would work for you definitely, otherwise you wouldn't be suggesting it, but still.

I'm sure you can have a lot of different system working in an MMO. FFXI changed its gearing system a lot during its lifespan. WoW did too.

it's very relevant when a big majority of beginner players are still here. Take a look at the data sometime

Please, give me numbers.

[SwdVengeance]

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He's not trying saying to not buy their product, just buy it and something else. If anything this is one of the most realistic and grounded comments I've seen from any MMO developer. Not only is he aware of burnout, but also that those who are aware of it before it hits home, curbs it by playing something else, are often the ones that come back re-enthused about the game.

[Reynhart]

Not only is he aware of burnout, but also that those who are aware of it before it hits home, curbs it by playing something else, are often the ones that come back re-enthused about the game.

He's aware of the burnout, of the reason of the burnout...and he says that he won't make anything to change it.
Basically, if you're bored with the tome system, the rapid gear decay and the predictability of content in each patch, you know that it will only be worse and worse.

And people are suprised because some find this reaction...innapropriate ?

[SwdVengeance]

He's aware of the burnout, of the reason of the burnout...and he says that he won't make anything to change it.

Ok, so as I don't misspeak, what exact quote have you been referencing? I don't want to respond by quoting the wrong quote here. I've read the interview as well and no where does he say anything like that. Burnout isn't somehow a unique issue XIV faces, it exist in every MMO, every game. Content creators can literally only create so much content in a given time. Consumption will always outpace creation. I don't exactly know what you would suggest he does to fix it aside from make more content, faster. Otherwise, if you're referencing something that hasn't been addressed, feel free to specify.

[Balipu]

He's aware of the burnout, of the reason of the burnout...and he says that he won't make anything to change it.
Basically, if you're bored with the tome system, the rapid gear decay and the predictability of content in each patch, you know that it will only be worse and worse.

And people are suprised because some find this reaction...innapropriate ?

What's wrong with the predictability of the patch content? At least you know how long you have to wait if you want a new raid or a new Warring Triad Trial. And there's always a little something more. Sure it's not always the size of ninja or the Gold Saucer, but those were exceptions teased long in advance.

[Clover_Blake]

Yoshi-P said several time that he's okay with us playing other games. This is not normal. He's a producer, he has a product to sell on us. You can't make a publicity campaign saying "Oh, by the way, it's not a big deal if you don't buy our product, you can go buy our competitor's instead"

That reveals that he's very down to earth. It's been said before: there isn't a single game in the world that can keep you entertained for every single day of the year, 24/7. First, because it's not possible to make that much content (unless you just give people tons of mindless, boring grind), and second because it's normal to get tired and need a break from time to time. Every developer should know that their game can't be played forever and ever. They should also know that people have lives, and that having lives is good.

The problem is that some players seem to truly expect a single game to keep their attention forever, every day of their lives, and that's an absurd mistake and not the devs' fault. (Neither it's the devs' fault that said players don't seem to know how to have fun with the things we do have).

As for the OP, I join the group of people who aren't pleased about the way you worded things. I love this game, it hasn't turned its back on me; quite the contrary, this game saved me from completely hating online games after my past experiences. Please do not speak for me or for anyone else when you voice your personal tastes and complaints. It's getting really tiring.

[Velhart]

This is the problem I have with latests interviews.
Yoshi-P said several time that he's okay with us playing other games. This is not normal. He's a producer, he has a product to sell on us. You can't make a publicity campaign saying "Oh, by the way, it's not a big deal if you don't buy our product, you can go buy our competitor's instead"
The other part is that every time someone asked for something different than the current formula, he replied that the formula is good because we would complain if we had less. Of course we'll be pissed if you give us less content...

It may of not been the best way for him to word it, but he isn't wrong. It is impossible to keep people completely engaged for the maximum amount of the patch time without putting more RNG measures into the game, which ends up making it frustrating in it's own right and addicting in a bad way. Maybe he shouldn't of said "play other games", but it isn't far from the truth. I am sure the team makes the content in attempts to make as much of it as you can for that patch cycle.

[SessionZero]

This is the problem I have with latests interviews.
Yoshi-P said several time that he's okay with us playing other games. This is not normal. He's a producer, he has a product to sell on us. You can't make a publicity campaign saying "Oh, by the way, it's not a big deal if you don't buy our product, you can go buy our competitor's instead"

You clearly have no idea what sort of game experience they're trying to provide if you think this.

[Aillith]

Yoshi-P said several time that he's okay with us playing other games....He's a producer, he has a product to sell on us. You can't make a publicity campaign saying "Oh, by the way, it's not a big deal if you don't buy our product, you can go buy our competitor's instead"

He has designed a game that means you can take breaks. Whether that be for life or other games.

Square produce multiple games. He understands that when FF15 comes out people will stop playing in order to play the new FF. Why should this be considered a bad thing?

Gamers have finite time and the company he works for produces multiple games for varying genres. If he was naive enough to think he could hold a monopoly on the gaming time of his player-base then he would be a terrible producer. That is not how business works and that is now how consumers work.


He understands people want variety and he can't put Pokemon into FF14 - so if you want Pokemon, go play Pokemon.
He understands that in the current climate, to hold people to ransom and say 'you have to play this game all the time in order to keep up' will not work. People will go play their other games and just won't resub to ff14 because they are now too far behind.

Instead he says 'It's ok to go play your other games, like Tomb Raider, or Racing X. FF14 will not give you these things as it is it's own world. When you have finished with them, we will be here to welcome you back and you can jump right back in with no stress of trying to catch up'

He is selling FF14 on it's merits, and one of it's merits is it's come and go playstyle.