House limit

[Oldschoolegamer38]

Well here is an idea: 1 house or apartment per player, that including multiple account players. This would be the best answer for those greedy players who have multiple accounts or characters homes. and send the players email saying your have xx days to clears out the homes and sell them and if you don't you will lose everything, but will give you a a 1/8 of a gil per 1 gil you spent on buying the property as compensation and if they don't like it?? Well too bad you shouldn't be so greedy then! I was in the process of buying a house for cheap from another player then someone swoops in and and give the guy 80mil gil making me S.O.L. Yes my idea to one house per player is a little hardline, but when players have millions in there wallet it's not hard for them to recover the cost in a week or heck a few days from crafting and selling on the MB.

[worldofneil]

1 house or apartment per player, that including multiple account players.

Someone with multiple accounts is also therefore paying multiple subscriptions so that's unfair to limit them since they are technically two full paying accounts. It doesn't really matter if they're the same person, they're paying two (or more) subscriptions and since Square Enix actually lets you have up to 8 service accounts/subscriptions under the same main account, each of them should have the same rights/privileges (once the usual required prerequisites for whatever it is are completed of course).

send the players email saying your have xx days to clears out the homes and sell them and if you don't you will lose everything, but will give you a a 1/8 of a gil per 1 gil you spent on buying the property as compensation

With house demolishing about to be reactivated that means the only people with houses will be active players. They're not going to alienate active players by taking away houses by having a policy change like that. Maybe they might change it for future houses, but removing from existing players who haven't broken any rules and the system allowed them too.... don't see it happening. Even if SE gave back 100% of the land/house cost, they can't compensate for time/effort in decorating it - you just can't put a compensation price on time/effort especially as some people will have crafted everything in it themselves and others will have spent money and bought off marketboards for various amounts. Not all of the items can even be removed without being destroyed and that goes for walls/ceiling lights and even exteriors if they were crafted in a company workstop (and they're not quick things to make!)

if they don't like it?? Well too bad you shouldn't be so greedy then! I was in the process of buying a house for cheap from another player then someone swoops in

I get that you're angry that you didn't get a house and someone beat you to it, but I'd just like to politely remind you that buying houses from other players is against the Terms of Service so I certainly wouldn't recommend actually actively admitting to considering to do that (especially not on the official forums!).

[Kalli89]

I get what your saying, you pay for an account so you should enjoy all the perks right? However this pales when one sees 25+ plots (in a single area) owned by a single FC/Person. How can this be defended? This is an obvious breach of the 2 per person system and a disregard for others which deprives them of an opportunity to enjoy every aspect of the game.

[Kalli89]

I believe that you should be able to Own 2 houses per account with a 4 max in multiple accounts. Any more then that is Excessive and no one needs that many houses for every one of their characters that being said I believe that houses should be ACCOUNT wide as if you own one you have ownership rights across your many characters. Those who are Using this loophole should be punished as they are knowingly exploiting a loophole and cheating the system. a simple IP check could root them out and can be appealed on the case by case basis under certain circumstances.
Am I calling for the ban-hammer? No. However those who used this loophole should Lose their extra plots effective after their second plot with 0% return on their Gil as they used a dishonest method of obtaining it.

[worldofneil]

this pales when one sees 25+ plots (in a single area) owned by a single FC/Person. How can this be defended? This is an obvious breach of the 2 per person system

It's not a breach. Each character is limited to one personal house and one FC house. What you seeing are multiple free companies with the same short name (as that doesn't have to be unique), but each free company had to be levelled up to rank 6 to be able to buy a house and each is owned by a different character. Likewise each personal house someone buys has to also be levelled up to level 50 and max rank in the GC, neither of these are quick and require a lot of work.

no one needs that many houses for every one of their characters

It's not my thing, but I know a lot of people do it for roleplaying purposes. Also the garden limit is another reason to get another house. That and people want to customise more than one thing.

Those who are Using this loophole should be punished as they are knowingly exploiting a loophole and cheating the system.

It's only a loophole if you're not allowed to do it. You are.

Normal accounts give you the ability to create 8 characters on a single server (40 in total!) each of those is allowed to buy a house. Whether they SHOULD be allowed to buy a house is another matter, but it's not a loophole if they do because they're allowed too...

those who used this loophole should Lose their extra plots effective after their second plot with 0% return on their Gil as they used a dishonest method of obtaining it.

By all means be angry with the system and how it works, but don't take it out on those players that simply beat you to it.

[Kalli89]

First off if you Looked past the "Different FC names" you would see the same crest, the guild creation around the same time and only 1 or 2 people in said guild, This is obviously the same person or group, try actually looking next time. you say they have it for "RP purposes" which might be the case in 0.000001% of those who do it. The rest are RMTers (Buying 10 plots and selling them on reddit for real money is RMT guy), those who want to flip the plots for a large return (Often 5 to 10 times what they bought it for), and those who feel like big men/women when they have 7 or 8 plots and fighting FCs over a plot to the point of attempting to get them banned (Happened to my FC leader but he won over this person)

[Kalli89]

The whole purpose of the 2 house limit is that more people can enjoy the perks of owning a house. Not for the richest of each world to buy up every house using a BS excuse like RP or gardening. Honestly gardening? cant you be bothered to wait the time necessary for crops to grow? So people can snatch up land from FCs and players who have NOTHING to garden? Why not suggest farming land to do just that from SE. Your reasoning is as flimsy as a wet paper bag and DOES NOT give these people the right to go past the 2 plot limit and to deprive FC and people who have the gil from purchasing their FIRST plot. This is not jealousy, this is outrage at these people who are this greedy, sad for those who fall into the traps of these RMTers and ones victim to these plot flippers.

[Dustytome]

First off if you Looked past the "Different FC names" you would see the same crest, the guild creation around the same time and only 1 or 2 people in said guild, This is obviously the same person or group, try actually looking next time.

It may be the same person/group but it is a different FC for each one and it's different characters in each one. Most of them are used for gardening/airships that I have have seen, but the game allows it and so they are doing nothing wrong until the devs themselves say otherwise. Worldofneil is well aware it's the same people, they're just clarifying that it is separate FCs/characters owning each house.

I believe that you should be able to Own 2 houses per account with a 4 max in multiple accounts. Any more then that is Excessive and no one needs that many houses for every one of their characters that being said I believe that houses should be ACCOUNT wide as if you own one you have ownership rights across your many characters. Those who are Using this loophole should be punished as they are knowingly exploiting a loophole and cheating the system. a simple IP check could root them out and can be appealed on the case by case basis under certain circumstances.
Am I calling for the ban-hammer? No. However those who used this loophole should Lose their extra plots effective after their second plot with 0% return on their Gil as they used a dishonest method of obtaining it.

The problem with multiple accounts is someone can just provide fake information and use time cards to pay if they'd go so far as to try to match credit card info. Even if they did limit per account, multiple accounts would not likely ever be touched.

[worldofneil]

First off if you Looked past the "Different FC names" you would see the same crest, the guild creation around the same time and only 1 or 2 people in said guild, This is obviously the same person or group, try actually looking next time.

I never said they weren't the same physical person, I said they're each owned by different characters:

each free company had to be levelled up to rank 6 to be able to buy a house and each is owned by a different character.

On my server there's a ward in the Goblet that seems to be owned mostly by the same FC so I'm familiar with what you're talking about, but that person/people had to level up multiple free companies to be able to do that, using different characters. They didn't just simply buy houses for all their characters, it must have taken them quite some time to do it.

The current housing system allows them to do this. Whilst there is only a finite amount of housing, maybe ethically/morally it's wrong because other people won't get a chance, they're allowed to do this and they took the time/effort to do it. Maybe that system is flawed and shouldn't allow multiple houses on the same server per account, an argument people have bought up many times before, but while those players are allowed to, and while they can't also can't even share houses with their own alternate characters, people are going to level up alts/free companies and do what their account is entitled to do, for whatever reasons they want.

you say they have it for "RP purposes" which might be the case in 0.000001% of those who do it. The rest are RMTers (Buying 10 plots and selling them on reddit for real money is RMT guy), those who want to flip the plots for a large return (Often 5 to 10 times what they bought it for), and those who feel like big men/women when they have 7 or 8 plots and fighting FCs over a plot to the point of attempting to get them banned (Happened to my FC leader but he won over this person)

That all seems like quite a generalisation, but I don't know enough of the players who own housing to refute your statement. I certainly don't personally condone selling housing for real money, but I've no experience with that happening either.

Housing (and also apartments) are a limited resource, but the players who managed to get any housing at all (be it single or multiple) had the same chances as everyone else, there was no favouritism from Square Enix.

[Kalli89]

That all seems like quite a generalisation, but I don't know enough of the players who own housing to refute your statement. I certainly don't personally condone selling housing for real money, but I've no experience with that happening either.

Housing (and also apartments) are a limited resource, but the players who managed to get any housing at all (be it single or multiple) had the same chances as everyone else, there was no favouritism from Square Enix.[/QUOTE]

My FC knows plenty to see this to the point we made a point to own only ONE so others can have one. The FC leader who we beat and tried to get us banned was working on his 8th plot for no reason but he wanted it. This was our first Plot and the condoning attitude for this practice only encourages it, while it may be in secret, houses are being flipped still on my server and mass amounts of plots horded by FCs of dubious origins.