Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Awful]

L o L.

Reminds me of this guy in my dungeon was me(tank), my FC friend (healer), Brd and a Blm; the blm was playing amazingly so at the end I was like damn man you're getting my commendation. We were waiting on loot as I typed that and the Brd says "commend me better" and wouldn't pass on loot so we had to wait there until the timer ran out, he kept spamming a macro with "commend me better" "commend plz" "need commends i top". My brain hurt after that run and still boggles me why people beg for commendations.

[Kahnom]

"Always give something(commendation) to others but never ask anything(commendation) in return"
is what it meant to be A Hero err..Warrior of Light.

[Neophyte]

I consider it "pathetic" to ask for commendations - for me they're something you earn by playing and behaving well, knowing your job/class, being able to adjust to the groupsetting, maybe listening to advice, being a friendly person etc. etc. Or, to sum it up: Making the run enjoyable. Its something you should earn with your actions, not by asking people to give it to you. Ofc they want the achievment, but again: that should be something they earn by their actions, not by asking for the commendation in the end (it does work without it, believe me)

Well, you just said that you won't give him a commendation regardless if he is even the best player in the world, just because he asked you to.

Sounds pretty unreasonable to claim to give commendations based on performance, although you won't give any commendations regardless of performance just because of a request in chat.

Absolutely.

Commendations are given based on performance. If you want a commendation, perform well. Be outstanding. Or, at the very least, make the run smooth and enjoyable.
If you perform well enough, people will notice you and give you a commendation.
If you do a substandard job, you aren't going to get a commendation.

Even if you want the achievement, it's something you need to earn. Everyone else is working hard to earn it.

Pfff, yea, because commendations totally work that way in this game... it's working like this:

8 random guys: You may get a commendation or not (pure random), if you're just playing normal. You may get 1-4 commendation if you do something outstanding.
4-6 People won't give any commendation anyway (regardless how good evreyone was).

You alone and a party of 3/7 ppl who que together: You may get random 1-3/7 commendation if you play normal. Highten the chance to get up to 7 by doing something outstanding.
You can commendate one, but get 3 or 7 back... how does the ammount of commendations reflect in any way the performance here anyway?!

You have to work "hard" to get 1 out of 7 commendations, when you get grouped with such a group? Not at all, this way you might get 3 times as much commendations while playing average, as in any run with 7 pugs while doing the most awesome job of all times.

And e.g. how should a dps playing on PS4 judge which of both healers did the better job dps-, heal- and no-overheal-wise without a parser? Seems like there is much room for error here, so you shouldn't treat it as an accurate tool anyway.

Also:
You can still just say "No, playing like this, you don't deserve one." or "Sure, since you deserve it anyway."
But that seems to simple and also.. no schadenfreude.

[Acantha]

Weirdest Alex whichever-one-has-Twinkle NM run last night. All ok up to Twinkle boss, which we wiped at. Me and co healer were trying our best but I think there were some new people that no one had explained anything to (tank pulled too quick) who were dropping the goop on the group and not picking off the adds quick enough. I had the snakes on me right up until I died >.<
Anyway so the weirdness ensued after the first wipe, suddenly a vote dismiss pops up for my co-healer for... "cheating"!? Like... wtf? We were trying our best I didn't see them do anything dodgy and... hmm. Somehow, it goes through and 3 of the dps leave too. So we're stood in front of Twinkle waiting for the group to fill up again, while we're waiting the good tank asks the other tank (let's call him douche canoe) if he could please swap at "x" stacks. Douche canoe refuses and says he's never needed to. I mean, okay? But it makes things a little easier for everyone? Anyway, i've only got DRK to lvl 43 so I don't know enough to input on that particular point. However he then refuses to move at all, doesn't go into bird form for boost and dies a couple of times.
Eventually we somehow make it through, then (I wish i'd taken a screenshot cause I barely believe it myself) he says "no one wants the loot right?" ... :|
WTF!?
Everyone running Alex needs the loot... well unless they're helping a friend or something but like 90% of people are either getting the best gear for their mains or the rest of their classes, no one's gonna pass especially for Douche canoe.
So, to make a point, I asked everyone else to please roll and wait. We did, had a lil dance and waited for the timer to run out remarking how bizarre this all was but having fun At around 60 seconds this guy gives up and rolls... and wins nothing
Moral of the story: don't be a douche, take your chances on loot just like everyone else is doing and please don't just point blank refuse to do things. Or at least prove that you can do the run without following any mechanics.

[Vidu]

Well, you just said that you won't give him a commendation regardless if he is even the best player in the world, just because he asked you to.

Sounds pretty unreasonable to claim to give commendations based on performance, although you won't give any commendations regardless of performance just because of a request in chat.

I'm giving my commendation based on OVERALL "performance" - that does not only include being the best player in the world, but also being nice, polite, funny, helpful, open-minded, "trying your best" (please notice that you dont have to "fullfill" all those criterias - thats more of a list of things that CAN make a player outstanding for me).
But yes, even if you left for whatever reason a good impression, you can destroy that (for me) with that simple request (just as much as smoking would destroy an overall good impression irl).
Asking for a commendation because you believe you earned it (and earned it more than the other people in your party) is pretty arrogant and specially as tank its just bad taste (we tanks get enough commendations already, without begging for them). Its specially "annoying" if the person requesting a commendation didnt said a word during the entire run - that being said: I would give my commendation to a chatty player, whos asking in a friendly manner in the end. But when "commend me plz" is all you can say... nope, nope, nope

Maybe I'm coming off as pretty "strict" here, but I believe a commendation is something you earn by playing well (whatever that means during the run - it is NOT limited to being the best player in the world); the game is asking ME if I enjoyed playing with one of my fellow partymembers and I dont "enjoy" being told "Hey, I did such an awesome job, commend me!" (arrogant) or "I want my achievment, gimme your commendation" (pathetic)

[SpiritMuse]

Interesting but ultimately fun run of Dzemael Darkhold last night. To start with, the tank runs off without waiting for protect. He proceeds to tank the mobs outside of the purple areas, but moves inside them when I tell him to and explain why. In the first big room, he pulls half the mobs while the rest go after the healer. He never picks the mobs off the healer so the healer dies and shortly after the tank, while my mch friend and me (monk) are waiting in the purple area for the fight to start. The tank leaves after that. He never said a word.

We decide to continue on while waiting for a new tank. I pop Fists of Earth and tank the first boss, which goes down without too much trouble. I keep aggro by staying on the boss while my friend takes the adds. Then on to the part with all the roving giant frogs. Carefully we make our way through, and miraculously we don't wipe. My friend and I both end up tanking various mobs as I do my best to at least keep them off the healer.

Second boss goes well, even though I lose aggro to my friend half way through. Monk dps is not exactly optimal when you can't make any of your positionals.

Then, the room with the band of roving skeletons. Finally, here we get a tank, who greets us cheerfully. After taking care of the mobs and activating the buttons, the tank gains a disconnect symbol over his head.... and eventually does indeed disconnect. We decide to move on while waiting for him to return, and carefully and successfully make our way to the final boss. The tank has still not returned, so we decide to kick him and see if another will join.

After waiting a few minutes, we decide to just give it a try. I slap a few marauder/lancer defensive cooldowns on my monk, warn my friend to be careful to not take aggro, and off we go. It's slow going, because my friend has to curb his dps to not get ahead of my crappy positional-less monk dps, and we have no limit break, but eventually we do get him down.

It was the healer's first run. We gave him all our comms. He had an awesome sense of humor about it all.

[Bebekurenai]

And e.g. how should a dps playing on PS4 judge which of both healers did the better job dps-, heal- and no-overheal-wise without a parser? Seems like there is much room for error here, so you shouldn't treat it as an accurate tool anyway.

Err... what? So ps4 players can't judge who to commend? You just blew all little credibility and common sense away with that logic sorry.
Darn it, I normally commend those who dispelled debuffs, stance danced, and kept everyone not just alive but healthy. And if both were outstanding, the one that greeted and was more friendly. Guess I was wrong!

[FinaSel]

Snip

Maybe it's a difference in culture.

If someone in my culture asked to be recognized for their hard work, they will be seen very negatively by their peers. This kind of thing just is not done. It's unheard of. Humility is a virtue.
For me, when someone says "You did a good job!" or "You play so well!" it is socially acceptable to say "No no, I didn't do very well at all." or "No, I only did well because everyone / you helped me." or "I still have a lot to learn."
To even accept praise given to you is socially odd.

This is the normal acceptable exchange in our datacenter. This person was quite an anomaly.


I'm not really sure I understand your explanation of commendation distribution system. Maybe it is too complicated for me to understand. I apologize.

But for me, it is pretty simple to decide who to give my commendation to. During the fight I just watch each player and how they move, what skills they are using, how they react to mechanics, and how they help other players.
I don't really even need to focus on them. Just doing the fight and it should be fairly obvious who is playing well and who is not.
There is no need to count DPS or heal amount. Just observing is enough.

When someone asks to receive credit for their hard work, to me, it is breaching a social boundary.
Because each person only gives 1 commendation, asking for everyone's commendation it sounds a little selfish. What gives someone the right to ask for that? Why does 1 player believe they deserve everyone's commendation instead of the other 7 players? What makes them think they outperformed everyone else?
How big can one's ego be?

I'm sorry, but this is how I feel about this behavior. It just seems very very odd to me.

[Confidence_Trick]

Had a great Stone Vigil Normal run last night as I was leveling up my MCH. Tank disconnected at the start but the three of us decided to soldier on, almost downing the second boss before a replacement tank appeared. Spirits were high throughout and as the icing on the cake Blue Steel dropped which is pretty much the most scrumptious gun ever.

[MeiUshu]

snip.

Asking for something is never wrong, if you never ask for anything you will never get anything, in the first place. You sure are free to decide to whom you give your commendation, but it certainly doesnt require neither a mockery nor a demeaning attitude towards the person who asked, is that the way it goes about in your culture shaming someone publically for asking something ? you sure of it ? and even showing pride in doing so ? I am really baffled by such.

Might want to gauge your ways before saying is *your culture* request, humility is not a one way road. you know.