Swing and Miss - AGAIN.

[Lunaxia]

Letting people who own houses buy apartments is absolutely ridiculous, who even thought to let that happen? They already have the bigger privilege of a larger house and garden, can there be something just for the folk who weren't so lucky?

[Dimitrii]

I guess everyone here is from Balmung if 6480 apartments is viewed as adding practically nothing. That or alot of you are under the delusion that your server is more populated than it really is. Even allowing house owners to buy an apartment (which is pointless, why would you even wanna buy what essentially amounts to a FC room without the FC attachment if you have a house anyway?) the population of all but a handful of servers (like Balmung and NA/EL wise probably only really Balmung) is not high enough to have 6480 apartments disappear within the first day if the patch let alone the first 10 min. It's hard to even feel bad for players on Balmung too since it's their choice to confine themselves to a server well known to be overpopulated.

[OliviaJ]

I guess everyone here is from Balmung if 6480 apartments is viewed as adding practically nothing. That or alot of you are under the delusion that your server is more populated than it really is. Even allowing house owners to buy an apartment (which is pointless, why would you even wanna buy what essentially amounts to a FC room without the FC attachment if you have a house anyway?) the population of all but a handful of servers (like Balmung and NA/EL wise probably only really Balmung) is not high enough to have 6480 apartments disappear within the first day if the patch let alone the first 10 min. It's hard to even feel bad for players on Balmung too since it's their choice to confine themselves to a server well known to be overpopulated.

Don't /poke them Dimitrii! They get agitated quickly! On that note I get that they don't want to transfer. However I do agree that if it's that important to you, I mean truly important, then move servers. Stop trying to change all the other servers policies to solve a couple servers problems.

[Teryaani]

Don't /poke them Dimitrii! They get agitated quickly! On that note I get that they don't want to transfer. However I do agree that if it's that important to you, I mean truly important, then move servers. Stop trying to change all the other servers policies to solve a couple servers problems.

Here's the thing: Were this truly a player created problem, this argument would work. It's not. SE botched the implementation of housing badly enough that it caused an uproar in all three regions and they've been trying to band-aid a bad system ever since. So stop defending square by making this the customer's problem.

[OliviaJ]

Here's the thing: Were this truly a player created problem, this argument would work. It's not. SE botched the implementation of housing badly enough that it caused an uproar in all three regions and they've been trying to band-aid a bad system ever since. So stop defending square by making this the customer's problem.

But you still seem to be thinking that there's a fix to a problem only affecting a small percentage of servers. What's the fix, outside of infinite wards? You can't take away peoples homes and make it all instanced. It kind of is a player created problem, unless you blame SE for not locking the server down once the limited resources of that world are depleted (which actually should happen).

[TarynH]

I always thought it would be cool if the Free Company's could instead have their own little instanced island, with a large house. Instead of competing with the housing area. Could even add fishing, gathering, farming, and animal raising (like FFXI) on the island. Give everyone some fun stuff to do. Then just make all the housing areas apartments and cottages.

[Teryaani]

But you still seem to be thinking that there's a fix to a problem only affecting a small percentage of servers. What's the fix, outside of infinite wards? You can't take away peoples homes and make it all instanced. It kind of is a player created problem, unless you blame SE for not locking the server down once the limited resources of that world are depleted (which actually should happen).

There is a fix in the form of offering an instanced housing option for level 60 players in Ishgard. Don't do wards. Give us the illusion of wards by having the ward be visual set dressing and exiting your yard puts you at the housing entrance in foundation. Then offer incentives for players who are currently in fixed housing to transfer to the instanced housing - upgrades or something similar. You nudge the players into the behavior you want. Which is actually something that, apart from housing, SE seems pretty good at.

It isn't player created. This didn't require foresight to see coming. There was no precognitive ability needed. All SE had to do from the get to was say these words when they realized that their original personal housing plan had a problem "While we had hoped to release this during patch x, in order to give you the experience you deserve it will be released in patch z". People would piss and moan briefly and then stop.

[Centershock]

I guess everyone here is from Balmung if 6480 apartments is viewed as adding practically nothing. That or alot of you are under the delusion that your server is more populated than it really is. Even allowing house owners to buy an apartment (which is pointless, why would you even wanna buy what essentially amounts to a FC room without the FC attachment if you have a house anyway?) the population of all but a handful of servers (like Balmung and NA/EL wise probably only really Balmung) is not high enough to have 6480 apartments disappear within the first day if the patch let alone the first 10 min. It's hard to even feel bad for players on Balmung too since it's their choice to confine themselves to a server well known to be overpopulated.

Yep, we totally get agitated quickly. Because not only have a lot of us been there for 3 years, but also because when we were here, we didn't have this overpopulation problem. Yes, blaming the players for being on an overpopulated server is not a problem to you because it's not your problem. It's not our fault that SE implemented a, once again, a piss-poor system for housing.
Asking us to transfer to a lower-populated server when we've been here for 3 years essentially means you're asking us to cut off all our connections with the people there, the friends we've made, the FC we're in, and lose out on the gil (there's a limit to how much gil you can transfer from one server to another).

Who in their right mind would do that? I'm honestly tired of you schmucks blaming the players for an awful implementation. You honestly don't understand our frustrations with this because, again, it's not your problem.

[OliviaJ]

Teryaani that is a fine idea. Future Ishgard housing should be instanced. I'm honestly not sure why there is such a limitation on the apartments because those also seem like they will be instanced (although with the 90 per building I'm wondering what the inside lobby/hallways are like).

@Centershock, should they have maybe locked it down to prevent the server from getting so bloated?

[TarynH]

There is a fix in the form of offering an instanced housing option for level 60 players in Ishgard. Don't do wards. Give us the illusion of wards by having the ward be visual set dressing and exiting your yard puts you at the housing entrance in foundation. Then offer incentives for players who are currently in fixed housing to transfer to the instanced housing - upgrades or something similar. You nudge the players into the behavior you want. Which is actually something that, apart from housing, SE seems pretty good at.

Or maybe even a small little instanced area with a few houses and maybe a market board. I think the appeal of housing, for the most part, is a nice little place to hangout with friends. Be it a shared house, or living next door.

You're right about one thing though. There is no incentive to give up a house in the game, unless one is a jerk selling it for massive profit. You can't even recoup your losses by letting it get demolished.