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  1. #1891
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    Namine F'
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    I may have become stupid in the time I haven't played this game, but shouldn't the PPS be identical between those two?
    They are, the difference is only if you get a proc.
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  2. #1892
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    Lavitz Bale
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    It may technically be outdated, but will 45 or so potency difference between Flare and F4 in the opener actually matter at all? Other than min/max, of course.
    Does doing more DPS matter at all? Of course it does.
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  3. #1893
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    Zuzu Belloq
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    Behemoth
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    Snip.
    Garotte14 just organized in a way that makes easier to handle the proc. And yeah the potency makes a huge difference when its under Intelligence Potion and Raging Strikes (Foes, Trick Attack and Litany too).
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  4. #1894
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    Small Beach
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    Phoenix
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    best opener :

    sharp - fire - RS - F3 - eno+LL - F4 - F4 - fire - F4 - swift cast F4 - convert - F4 - F4
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  5. #1895
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    Alayna Lazriel
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by smallbeach View Post
    best opener :

    sharp - fire - RS - F3 - eno+LL - F4 - F4 - fire - F4 - swift cast F4 - convert - F4 - F4
    There's absolutely no reason to have Ley Lines so late. I recommend precasting Ley lines. It adds more potency per second.
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  6. #1896
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    Milk Beard
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    [QUOTE=Garotte14;3849046]Just to Echo what a few others have said:

    Use if you will not have to move
    SC > QS > LL > Fire > Enochian + Raging Strikes > F3P > Potion > Fire IVx2 > Fire(no proc) > Fire IV > SC > Fire IV + Convert > Fire IVx2 > Blizzard III > T1 > Blizzard IV.

    SC > QS > LL > Fire > Enochian + Raging Strikes > F3P > Potion > Fire IVx2 > Fire(procs) > Fire IV > F3P + SC > Fire IV + Convert > Fire IVx2 > Blizzard III > Thunder > Blizzard IV.


    Wouldn't it be better to move raging strikes forward in the opener a little? so you can snapshot t1 still? I guess all that would be looking at is what is more potent, a RS> 1AF F3P vs. RS> T1


    So like http://ffxivrotations.com/8ol
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  7. #1897
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    Krystalan Deathgiver
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Your fire 3 proc in af1 is more potent than anything except a full duration t1, so you're not only delaying rs by 1 gcd (dps loss in itself), you're lowering the potency of the opener about 40% of the time.
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    Last edited by Deathgiver; 09-17-2016 at 01:18 AM.

  8. #1898
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    Shinryu Reishiki
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garotte14 View Post
    There's absolutely no reason to have Ley Lines so late. I recommend precasting Ley lines. It adds more potency per second.
    Using it after the F3P allows you to get 2x F4 under Ley Lines in your second AF rotation. Would that not be more beneficial than an unbuffed F1 and AF1 F3P under Ley Lines?
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  9. #1899
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    Krystalan Deathgiver
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Unless you have enough piety to cast a 5th fire 4 in your second AF3 cycle it adds 0 benefit that I can see (aside from ease of movement)
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  10. #1900
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    Alayna Lazriel
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinryuReishiki View Post
    Using it after the F3P allows you to get 2x F4 under Ley Lines in your second AF rotation. Would that not be more beneficial than an unbuffed F1 and AF1 F3P under Ley Lines?
    The main purpose of precasting Ley Lines is very simple. It's one less oGCD that you have to cast during your opener. Saving .5s when all of your buffs are up plus all party buffs like Battle Litany, TA, etc. is so good. I can't stress this enough, your opener is so important for DPS. You want to squeeze every millisecond out of to put you in the best position to sustain a high DPS.
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