In 4.0 can we please get rid of caster bars on physical ranged jobs?!

[Celef]

I hate WM but i would no be opposed to a kind of "aimaing bar". You aim, the longer you do it, the stronger is your shot and if you want / need to move and interupt the cast, you still shoot, doing less damages but still shooting.
Seems to me like a good compromise considering you can move at a certain % of your cast and still finish it as a caster dps / heal ^^"

[Evumeimei]

I loved Bard before Heavensward and I still like it well enough now, but it's not really the same with the addition of WM. I found Bard fluid and fast. I could always be attacking/following my rotation, even when moving out of AOEs/doing other mechanics/providing party support. I loved that. Also, casting in this game can be clunky at times (i.e.: interrupted casting after Repelling Shot; sometimes interrupted if you cast too fast after moving). Regardless, I can deal with it and still play Bard a lot.

But, as has been mentioned a few times: all current ranged classes are casters. There is no other option. I think this is the core problem that needs resolution, whether it be by changing Bard or introducing a new ranged job in 4.0.

[Niko_Kishiko]

I loved bard in 2.0. I used to run ex fights all day because it was so fun. After Wanderer's Minuet came and I couldn't get used to how clunky and unnatural the job feels I only use Bard in fates or lower level dungeons where I dont have to use WM. Lately I just use Bard for Yokai spam.

Has anyone done the math to see if the Archer class without the Bard job stone is viable at all? I don't mean for top dps but good enough to do 50-60 dungeons on?

I don't care if SE keeps WM on Bard but can you make Archer alone viable then? Please?

[Astyrah]

I loved bard in 2.0. I used to run ex fights all day because it was so fun. After Wanderer's Minuet came and I couldn't get used to how clunky and unnatural the job feels I only use Bard in fates or lower level dungeons where I dont have to use WM. Lately I just use Bard for Yokai spam.

Has anyone done the math to see if the Archer class without the Bard job stone is viable at all? I don't mean for top dps but good enough to do 50-60 dungeons on?

I don't care if SE keeps WM on Bard but can you make Archer alone viable then? Please?

you can probably go and do OK if you're running pre-made with your friends. but for public DF i'd advice you use the job stone. you will have reduced stats without it and you will lose your songs and your AOE potential (rain of death ogcd spam), and as a result you might get called out for it and may even upset people you run with

[Worldofwarcraft]

Kind of ridiculous to have a class play one style an entire expansion, and then completely change its play style in the next. I get some of you who are saying "I don't mind it" but you need to think about the average person D:.

[lulunami]

I loved bard in 2.0. I used to run ex fights all day because it was so fun. After Wanderer's Minuet came and I couldn't get used to how clunky and unnatural the job feels I only use Bard in fates or lower level dungeons where I dont have to use WM. Lately I just use Bard for Yokai spam.

Has anyone done the math to see if the Archer class without the Bard job stone is viable at all? I don't mean for top dps but good enough to do 50-60 dungeons on?

I don't care if SE keeps WM on Bard but can you make Archer alone viable then? Please?

Some Classes used to be better than Jobs back in 2.0, but Classes are really inferior to Jobs now in 3.0. Losing out on the Job stone stats and the Lv.60 abilities is a big loss now.

[Mugiawara]

Kind of ridiculous to have a class play one style an entire expansion, and then completely change its play style in the next. I get some of you who are saying "I don't mind it" but you need to think about the average person D:.

What's the average person then?
The forums aren't the majority of the Bard players.

BRD and MCH have the lowest weapon damage, are penalized for doing most of their party support skills, and have been given cast bars despite being a physical dps
most of us bards here aren't asking to beat MONK or BLACK MAGE in terms of DPS, but rather to give us something that was taken away unreasonably from us, we don't move around like headless chickens you meet in duty finder - we dislike the cast bar because it breaks the traits and certain ogcds of our class. what part of that you can't understand?

Now go read what I said in the other two posts.
In all honesty, I don't even like how Bard is being played out in general.
I wanted a damn Support, not this half-ass job of a DPS support.
PS. They are still Physical DPS.
There are Physical and Magical DPS.
It's only up until 3.0 have I heard people say CASTER DPS thanks to WM.
I'm even not saying WM is good, I'm just saying I'm use to it and I see why they did it that way.
Whether is right or wrong on it.

[Astyrah]

Now go read what I said in the other two posts.

Meh, he tried to please everyone but the ones who looked forward to a more supportive stance. You only do so much when you're making a hybrid job.
And most bard's don't even sing, and the most used is Foe's and that kills your MP, not your DPS.

I'm sorry but Bard was never suppose to have high DPS like every other job.
It's a hybrid, it's a support DPS and I won't defend it's all that great of a support DPS but it is what it is.
Again, I just think you guys miss how smooth it was to run and shoot.

i did before i replied to your post, which is why my reply to you was:

going by with what you said, what i think you don't seem to understand is that while foe's is the most used song in duty finder, our TP and MP songs are equally important during raid progression. but even then, other classes bring support buffs that are equally important so one can argue every other DPS class is as a hybrid support as BRD and MCH are.

In all honesty, I don't even like how Bard is being played out in general.

same here ^^

I wanted a damn Support, not this half-ass job of a DPS support.
PS. They are still Physical DPS.
There are Physical and Magical DPS.
It's only up until 3.0 have I heard people say CASTER DPS thanks to WM.
I'm even not saying WM is good, I'm just saying I'm use to it and I see why they did it that way.
Whether is right or wrong on it.

yeah i get where you're coming from. i feel this is where SE made a mistake of putting Bard as the Job advancement of the Archer Class. you will have people who want a proper bow and arrow DPS and you'd have people who want the full supportive route. whatever they do, one side of the crowd will never be pleased.

I apologies if I sounded harsh in this entire conversation

same ^^ but hey, it's a free forum we're allowed to say what we feel as long as it falls within the rules SE enforces :P

[Mugiawara]

yeah i get where you're coming from. i feel this is where SE made a mistake of putting Bard as the Job advancement of the Archer Class. you will have people who want a proper bow and arrow DPS and you'd have people who want the full supportive route. whatever they do, one side of the crowd will never be pleased.

And this is what I said to that.

It's a hybrid, it's a support DPS and I won't defend it's all that great of a support DPS but it is what it is.

It's not. As you said, the other jobs can buff you up in a fashion but NO ONE else is getting penalized from it but now I can kinda understand a little bit on your end
and admittedly I don't play the harder raids [Just normal ones] so I dunno how the TP/MP issues fair there.
I feel like this is the fault of SE really. I mean they try to do something new and it's just making people upset.
Whether our mobility, the damage or even supportive/songs that kill your damage.
I think they are nerfing a bit too much for an already lower DPS + the songs that also kill DPS that have to be used in raids.
So yeah now that I think about it, especially in harder raids
I can see where people would start to get pissed off by trying to focus the casting, trying to sing, trying to have good damage all at once.
I just looked at it from my side so I think I understand a bit more.
I apologies if I sounded harsh in this entire conversation as I didn't mean to sound rude or hateful.

[mb52139]

Maybe if you didn't use that stupid macro you use, you would have batter dps

Hah, in your opinion. No need to get personal. You might have too much time, if you searched out my posts, in this large thread.. Just for a 'told you so' post.