As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Fevelle]

Cleric stance isn't mentioned, you can throw out dots (even if its just dots) without cleric stance in between cures, in dungeon runs there is plenty of downtime, enough time to throw out a dot or two without any hardship at all. Yes cleric stance is something that is a bonus , and skilled healers will definately stance dance and show off their pro skills, an average to amateur healer can throw out their basic dots and keep their safety net of extra healing as needed without an issue.

Let's stop with this ok? Everyone knows that after you start getting MND-only gear trying to DPS without CS is absolutely USELESS. If you're going to dps, do it while in CS, or just save your time buffing or doing another thing. This is not the first time I see people bringing this type of misinformation in the thread and it's really annoying.

And yes, it's ok in my point of view to not use Maim or DPS combos while tanking, as long as you are keeping hate/mitigating. Is it desirable? Absolutely not, but if I see someone doing it in DF I'd just sigh and carry on with the run and complain later to my friends.

[Normalizer]

Let's stop with this ok? Everyone knows that after you start getting MND-only gear trying to DPS without CS is absolutely USELESS. If you're going to dps, do it while in CS, or just save your time buffing or doing another thing. This is not the first time I see people bringing this type of misinformation in the thread and it's really annoying.

Tbh I see it as a good way for new healers that never tried to dps get closer to be a better healer. It could at least give them the feel when they can cast something other than healing skills. Keep asking people to dps in CS only will probably put some of them under pressure and they could turn away from even trying.

As in they never heal. Some don't even use Deploy.

Deploy is not a healing skill FYI. If a sch doesn't use deploy it's probably because it's not needed. I see a lot of group run put up whm bubble, sch deploy, pld aoe shield, then also the sch shield, just for a boss phase change attack, all while only a succor is enough.

[Lambdafish]

Let's stop with this ok? Everyone knows that after you start getting MND-only gear trying to DPS without CS is absolutely USELESS. If you're going to dps, do it while in CS, or just save your time buffing or doing another thing. This is not the first time I see people bringing this type of misinformation in the thread and it's really annoying.

Are you saying that if someone DPS's outside of cleric stance it is as bad/worse than doing no DPS at all? It might not do much damage you are right, and cleric stance is preferable, BUT the point being made is that some DPS are uncomfortable with stance dancing and feel they shouldn't need to DPS because of it. My arguement is that stopping DPS is never the answer, and that cleric stance is the bit that turns you from a standard healer into a good healer, and that even if you don't use cleric stance you should be throwing out some form of damage, even if it is just DoTs.

Also when you talk about buffing/another thing? please enlighten me what that thing is? On AST, cards are probably a higher priority than DPS anyway (at which point nobody is complaining about AST DPS), but on WHM/SCH what are they supposed to do if the party is at near full HP and the tank is not taking enough damage to warrant buffs (most times I don't even need to use my own buffs as a tank)

And yes, it's ok in my point of view to not use Maim or DPS combos while tanking, as long as you are keeping hate/mitigating. Is it desirable? Absolutely not, but if I see someone doing it in DF I'd just sigh and carry on with the run and complain later to my friends.

lol ok. While I would rarely kick someone over it, I would find out why they are playing their job horribly wrong (maim and storms eye aren't optional as you seem to imply, they are part of the core rotation, and I liken this to ice mages who never use fire), and I would advise them if they are struggling with the job, but 90% of the time it is pure laziness, which is not ok.

[Fevelle]

Are you saying that if someone DPS's outside of cleric stance it is as bad/worse than doing no DPS at all? It might not do much damage you are right, and cleric stance is preferable, BUT the point being made is that some DPS are uncomfortable with stance dancing and feel they shouldn't need to DPS because of it. My arguement is that stopping DPS is never the answer, and that cleric stance is the bit that turns you from a standard healer into a good healer, and that even if you don't use cleric stance you should be throwing out some form of damage, even if it is just DoTs.

After level 50, yes it's as bad as not DPSing at all. The damage is negligible. If someone is unconfortable with stance dancing and still want to help with DPS, they should focus on building healing awareness - and memorizing mechanics, so they know when they can enter CS safely.

Also when you talk about buffing/another thing? please enlighten me what that thing is? On AST, cards are probably a higher priority than DPS anyway (at which point nobody is complaining about AST DPS), but on WHM/SCH what are they supposed to do if the party is at near full HP and the tank is not taking enough damage to warrant buffs (most times I don't even need to use my own buffs as a tank)

If they have this much time and not even the tank is taking damage, they should enter CS and try a little DPS - because like I said before, it would be safe to do so.

On a side note, I think this game lacks buffsto keep up on the party. Spells like Blink, Shell, NullBarrier, Aura, Haste, Float and a lot others can all be changed to fit in FFXIV nicely.

[Supersun]

On a side note, I think this game lacks buffsto keep up on the party. Spells like Blink, Shell, NullBarrier, Aura, Haste, Float and a lot others can all be changed to fit in FFXIV nicely.

Haste, Refresh, Haste, Refresh, Haste, Refresh, Haste, Cure III, Refresh,...

*trauma intensifies*

Seriously, FFXIV does NOT need that...

[Fevelle]

Haste, Refresh, Haste, Refresh, Haste, Refresh, Haste, Cure III, Refresh,...

*trauma intensifies*

Seriously, FFXIV does NOT need that...

Well don't we do that already?

Aero III, Aero II, Aero, Stone 3 (ad infinitum), drop CS, Cure II , enter CS, Aero III, Aero II...

Healing in this game is already repetitive. A few more spells wouldn't make it worse.