In 4.0 can we please get rid of caster bars on physical ranged jobs?!

[Mugiawara]

Gotta love how people who can't even play bard properly claim job is fine. Filthy heavy shot single target rain of death spammers.

Well some of us have either gotten use to it, or never found it a problem at all.
I think people miss the 'smooth' feeling when using skills of 50 bards.
You can't have it all.
You can't have the DPS, 100% mobility, and support buffs so they had to knock something down to get it.
That's what people don't seem to understand. I said this before and people bit my ass about it.
Now I use to think BRD shoulda been left as is just to please the people and have MCH with the cast bar...
but now say if BRD was exactly the same, but MCH came out NO ONE would play MCH because of that cast bar so I guess
they had to find a way to even the field there too.
And those of you cool dudes who refuse to use WM, I hope you know you're gimping us, severely and I would probably kick you from party.
It's been over a year, you either don't play BRD, trudge on and shrug it off or gimp us.
Anyways, since as he said he's simplifying rotations, there may be some hope so wait and see.

I still personally say let Bard be a healer and make the 'Ranger/Hunter' DPS but eh been saying that for years.

[Claire_Pendragon]

I just want shorter cast bars! Still cant run and gun, but have you actually used 0.5s cast spells yet? they are actually VERY comfy/tollerable to use!

[Reinha]

You can't have the DPS, 100% mobility, and support buffs so they had to knock something down to get it.

... you either don't play BRD ...

Well BRD weapon damage is the lowest and scales the worst so "the DPS" is out of the picture anyway. And support buffs reduce dps further. In reality it would just be 100% mobility and support buffs. I don't see an issue with that.

And yeah we have the option to either not play it or play it properly, that goes without saying. But we don't have to be silent about disliking the cast times no matter which option we choose. Staying silent means it's never getting reverted back. Speaking up means there is a chance it's reverted. I preferred 100% mobility and fluid oGCD use to this pseudo DPS buff that turns the unique playstyle to something I can already find on other jobs.

[Mugiawara]

Well BRD weapon damage is the lowest and scales the worst so "the DPS" is out of the picture anyway. And support buffs reduce dps further. In reality it would just be 100% mobility and support buffs. I don't see an issue with that.

And yeah we have the option to either not play it or play it properly, that goes without saying. But we don't have to be silent about disliking the cast times no matter which option we choose. Staying silent means it's never getting reverted back. Speaking up means there is a chance it's reverted. I preferred 100% mobility and fluid oGCD use to this pseudo DPS buff that turns the unique playstyle to something I can already find on other jobs.

Meh, he tried to please everyone but the ones who looked forward to a more supportive stance. You only do so much when you're making a hybrid job.
And most bard's don't even sing, and the most used is Foe's and that kills your MP, not your DPS.
Bard's songs are completely situational anyways. It's so much so, that it doesn't even feel like the staple of the job. I'll explain.
AP - TP based jobs have Interewiorewpogate, gives you 400 TP and unless it's extremely long out fights and 560 deaths no use.
MB - Comes in handy if the healers die quite a bit. Otherwise, WHM has 2 MP restores. SCH has Aether and they rarely EVER had MP problems, AST has LA that refreshes alot of MP during the duration.
Foe - Used the most, Just kills your MP as I said. Should used almost always esp when your healer is DPSing. So there's no reason to not use it most of the time.
WP - Meh. It helps alleviate if you have mass people have a debuff so heals don't' have to do it. Seems like a raid skill tbh. [Needs a rework on this skill imo.]
He should make it where the MELEE have a DPS buff song. I would love doing that than worry about my own DPS.
Make Army's Paeon a DRG/NIN/MNK/PLD/DRK/WAR/MCH DPS buff a bit but lower yours. That sounds a lot better to me.
I didn't say you can't be vocal about it but as I said, he might be looking into it if he's tryna simplify the battle system so keep your fingers crossed.

[FunkyBunch]

You can't have the DPS, 100% mobility, and support buffs so they had to knock something down to get it.

I'm going to say this again, but my idea solves the problem and keeps the mobility and raises the skill cap a bit.

They could have added range requirements (close skills, medium skills and far skills) so only certain skills will work at a certain range (or get bonuses for being at those ranges) from the boss.
Similar to positionals but for ranged. So instead of rotating around the boss, you move closer and farther.
It raises the skill cap, lets you still have your mobility but doesn't give you an EZ-mode like where BRD would be if it had all the benefits but none of the drawbacks of WM.

I seriously think it would make everyone happy. They keep their mobility, they keep their damage, and they have a higher skill cap for said damage.

[mb52139]

You can't have the DPS, 100% mobility, and support buffs so they had to knock something down to get it.

Thing is.. bards as is.. don't have the dps.. we don't have mobility and we dont have any more support then other classes.

So what exactly did we gain by sacrificing our mobility?

[Starkbeaumont]

Thing is.. bards as is.. don't have the dps.. we don't have mobility and we dont have any more support then other classes.

So what exactly did we gain by sacrificing our mobility?

With a drg brd's damage is fine. actually really high. of course you are not a mnk, but you knew this from the beginning. MP song is pretty much needed in during progression and foe's is always nice to have. you could argue that foe's does nothing without a caster (or just one, compared to 3 physical dps). but it is still a nice tool.

and all that mobility was never needed. ppl ran around cause they could, not cause they had to.

[Mugiawara]

Thing is.. bards as is.. don't have the dps.. we don't have mobility and we dont have any more support then other classes.

So what exactly did we gain by sacrificing our mobility?

I'm sorry but Bard was never suppose to have high DPS like every other job.
It's a hybrid, it's a support DPS and I won't defend it's all that great of a support DPS but it is what it is.
Again, I just think you guys miss how smooth it was to run and shoot.

@Funky. - While I kinda like your idea but will not work because someone will cry about how they need to be this close or far to excel maximum damage.
After they found the sweet spot, they are going to standing still.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

with all the missing auto attacks the opposite did happen: bards who were running around like crazy lose damage.

Well, they're actually changing it so you don't have to be facing the target to auto attack anymore...

[Reinha]

and all that mobility was never needed.

Then why was it taken away? Why can't we have it back?